Erwin Sell Verus Hugh Walter Part Two Red Box we are back with more in this on going debate . Hugh Walter has stated that Blue box and Red Box are the same company. Erwin disagrees and is putting forth his information showing otherwise.
One note in the last post on this subject I missspelled Hugh’s last name. This happens as many of yyou know I have learning disablity, which sneaks up on me. My readers who got my early list will tell you how I use misspelled the word silver.
Erwin Sell Verus Hugh Walter Part Two Red Box RED BOX final clarification debate.
From last link of Hugh’s blog.
Extracted part says.
(Part of the administrative section of Tai Sang industrial Co.LTD HONG KONG
Manufacturers of RED BOX and BLUE BOX TOYS ….)
Erwin says…
Meaning a industrial plants located in Tain Sang Industrial port area -HK that produced-make toys for one company AND other (Red Box and Blue Box ).Not for one company with two names!!??
It does not indicate at all BLUE BOX was know as BLUE BOX AND RED BOX as Plastic Warrior stated.
That is the point Hugh!!
Erwin Sell Verus Hugh Walter Part Two Red Box Trademark
In following LINK posted by Hugh
Erwin Says.
Thank you Hugh.
It just confirm same.
RED BOX is register along once again by Tain Sang Industrial .
Where it mention Blue Box!?
By the way filing of trademark and registration was by TAIN SANG…
Also-The link is not an official company business data .Trademark is a free search engine of publicly available government records. Trademarkia.com is not a law firm and does not represent owners listed on page. Is like Wikipedia and could be updated by any one free .So not an accurate information at all but it serve the purpose of once again as I mention …
So how this proof that (Blue Box (also known as Blue Box and Red Box)????
Erwin Sell Verus Hugh Walter Part Two Red Box Tain Sang Industrial LTD
What is TAIN SANG INDUSTRAIL Co LTD ???
TAI SANG INDUSTRIAL Co.LTD is complex full of factories importer/exporter packers buildings-places that just mass produce-export to many areas in the world for many brands. Some companies such BLUE BOX and Red Box have their factories and export places there. They also made for Fisher,IMPERIAL Ja ru ,AVON ….
TAI SANG INDUSTRIAL for BLUE BOX
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(BLUE BOX) Factory and importer place was located since 1960 at…
9/F., Blue Box Factory Building, 25 Hing Wo Street, Tin Wan, Aberdeen , Hong Kong
Sykes Lau
Vice President of Sales ( OEM business) at Blue Box (OEM) Ltd
Worked for TAI SANG INDUSTRIAL before go to work for BLUE BOX.
Erwin Sell Verus Hugh Walter Part Two Red Box Red Box Information
RED BOX INFORMATION from official business data bank HK.
1-The old branded,not longer in production
2-The actual (I was always referring too as main competitor from china in original disputed post )-Start in 1985
1-RED BOX COMPANY LIMITED-1964(ONE trademark register in above link posted by Mr Hugh)
Red Box Company Limited was incorporated on 29 February 1964 (Saturday) and as of 1 October 2015 (Thursday) is a Live Private Company Limited By Shares.
This Private Company Limited By Shares have been operating for 19289 days.
This Private Company Limited By Shares have been operating for 19289 days.
Company Name (Chinese)
紅盒有限公司
Company Type
Private Company Limited By Shares
Date of Incorporation
29 February 1964 (Saturday)
Active Status -Live
Remarks
–
Winding Up Mode
–
Date of Dissolution
–
Register of Charges
Available
Important Note
–
Name History
2-RED BOX TOY FACTORY LIMITED-1985
This is the one I original refer to as main competitor for Blue Box from (“China”) Meaning funded by Chinese not as most HK old brands funded by western or others such GIANT-Arco,Imperial,Ja-Ru ….
RED BOX TOY FACTORY LIMITED.
Company Registration No.: 0158560
Red Box Toy Factory Limited was incorporated on 20 September 1985 (Friday) and as of 1 October 2015 (Thursday) is a Live Private Company Limited By Shares.
This Private Company Limited By Shares have been operating for 11415 days.
This Private Company Limited By Shares have been operating for 11415 days.
Company Name (Chinese)
紅盒玩具廠有限公司
Company Type
Private Company Limited By Shares
Date of Incorporation
20 September 1985 (Friday)
Active Status -Live
Remarks
–
Winding Up Mode
–
Date of Dissolution
–
Register of Charges
Available
Important Note
–
Name History
Effective From 20 September 1985, Friday
RED BOX TOY FACTORY LIMITED
紅盒玩具廠有限公司
RED BOX TOY FACTORY LIMITED
紅盒玩具廠有限公司
About RED BOX-1985
From Mr Hugh rant
(Erwin ) says…
RED BOX is a 1985.Was original funded in HK and united with others from other toys line in China after 90’s. It has been BLUE BOX main competitor since from China market…
Hugh Walter says….
Which is it? JB (as fact) or Red Box (as fact)? That is not empirical evidence-based research; that is someone bullshitting falsehoods like sugar-beet plops off an elevator.
Blue Box’s main competitor? Cattle-crud! What about [alphabetically] Arco, Early Light, Jetta, Lion Rock, Lucky, Manley Toys, May Chong, Qualidux, Soma, or Universal (I’ve left-out those listed in the last paragraph of this section)? All still in existence in 2010 (to my knowledge) bar Arco – you’re making it up as you go along…again! ‘That is all I know’? You know nothing, you make it up! ‘Wrongly mentioned’? Bullshit, it’s a correct correlation; you’re making it up as you go along AGAIN, not PW contributors! ‘Only original’? Cow-turd! ‘Funded’? By whom? ‘United with others’? What ‘others’? Evidence? Steer-crap – you’re making it up! After 1990? What evidence do you have for such a specific statement? You’re making it up again! “Citation Needed”! “Citation Needed”! “Citation Needed”!
ERWIN RESPONDED.
I said (It has been BLUE BOX main competitor since from China market.) .Meaning China ,NOT HONG KONG .-Did you understand that Hugh!???
Why you mention companies funded in HK before ?
Even naming some others that are not active according to directory listing of Businesses and Companies registered in Hong Kong?
Or in some cases limited with out a single web site and factory adders information in the net or else?….
See links bellow of some those you mention are “competing” with RED BOX.
Manley Toys Limited.?
Or this one!?
BUT;In fact MANLEY TOYS LIMITED file Bankruptcy in 2016.
Here Bankruptcy data link-.https://www.
You mention too (MAY CHONG!?)I think you may refer to May Cheongs Toy products.
Another factory small distributes from Hong Kong ,not China.
Also you mention.SOMA Toys!?
It was dissolved and not longer in business.
Here.
Also LUCKY TOYS. Disolved-Not longer in business.
Here.
Also (LION ROCK!?)
Disolved t-Not longer in business.
I can go on but I left the link for you so you search every company for yourself.
Enjoy!!!
Erwin Sell Verus Hugh Walter Part Two Red Box About Red Box
About RED BOX toys. I was referring as to be original Chinese funded IN 1985,meaning by Chinese owned original people,not companies funded in HK by Americans or others before or HONG KONG original people.
You spend too much time extracting and deviating or adding words to minor short comments posted by me and trying to twist or confuse my words …..
IF Actual RED BOX Toys is related to the 1960’s same trade mark listed register by TIN SANG Industrial or similar brand with base in HK too which I did not imply but you did in your comments. I do not know for sure but actual Red Box has a very likable logo and very looking as older RED BOX brand logo as well. Any ways. I did not mention it as been same as you assume I suggested.
Never Assume !!!!
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In fact after this post you corrected and said now a different tale.
Here from you(Mr Hugh) in your blog site.
Mr Hugh says…
(Therefore Tai Sang weren’t renamed Blue Box (the impression given by the owner of both companies in his interviews with Sarah Monks), but rather that Blue Box were created as a separate entity following the conversation with/visit to Cecil Coleman, with Red box following a few years later – they first appear in the mid-1970’s; allowing for the brief entry in Garratt, published 1980/1.)
ERWIN RESPONDED -conclusion.
So again Mr Hugh.
Are you confused or confusing all in your blog.?
Last samples pictures samples of older RED BOX brand trademark toys copies of Blue Box sold under the sole(RED BOX ) LOGO
Erwin Sell Verus Hugh Walter Part Two Red Box Photos
Both two brands packing clear show different logs individual brand packed-cards using similar toys.
But under different brands.
More possible packed by TIN SANG INDUSTRIAL factories for both different separated companies.
Once again indicating both RED BOX and BLUE BOX sold as separated entities/companies with respective logo since 60 s.
Picture Below show individual figure horse stamp mark (Red Box bellow) Indicating figures were separated identify to be for RED BOX not Blue Box when made .As well every BB is mark BB bellow.
Not RB & BB .
Zoo sets (original copies of Britain and other brands ) pack and sold under older Trademark RED BOX with Old logo in pack.
Zoo sets by BLUE BOX using same animals and pack as BLUE BOX from 60’s-70s as well.
Dinosaur Pin ball pocket game show the Original BLUE BOX early 60 all plastic case
next to later verssion from 80s from BB too and the RED BOX exact copied sold by Red Box
Garage parking lot(also sold and distributed under SEARS made generic in HK was sold by RED BOX and Blue box as separated pack box.
Note two different packing case with logos.
Thanks for the information Erwin
Thanks Darren, just trying clarify some issues!!!