Plastic Figure Roundup Part Two starts off with the back of the Kellogg’s Sugar Frosted Flakes Cereal box showing the offering for the Combat Equipped U.S. Soldiers. The offer was done in the 50’s and used Lido army figures. The offering had twelve figures I only remember getting the sitting army firing the rifle. If a cereal company did an offering like this today they would get all kinds of major complaints.
Next for Plastic Figure Roundup Part Two we have salesman sheet showing the sixteen different poses of the Ideal Army poses. These sales sheet are not easy to find.
The next on Plastic Figure Roundup Part Two we will look at some figures that I have acquired over the last few months. The first figure on the left is a smaller variation of the soldier we showed you in the last Figure Roundup posting. Next to him is a resin pirate. Many souvenir shops are selling various resin figures, one of the best shops we found for resin figures was through our very good friend Peter Evans who alerted us to shop across from the British Museum. I found several interesting figures for the collection.
Speaking of Peter Evans, he did the conversion of the Green Beret you see. I do not know what figure he used. I like the pose and enjoy the conversions he does as I have no skill in doing conversions. The last figure is a Johillco cowboy firing a pistol.
The next photo shows a 45mm cowboy playing a guitar. It is interesting with all the singing cowboy movies there were only few figures done of a cowboy with a guitar. One was the Marx 60mm First Version Cowboy sitting playing guitar. I have no idea who made the one in the photo. The middle figure a cowboy sitting I believe is a Comansi figure. He would have been on wagon or stagecoach. The last figure is a 54mm Safari Pirate lady. Someone painted the figure gray. When I looked the figure up on the internet, I found something interesting, the figure was shown with the weapons in the opposite hands. Does anyone has the figure with the weapons in the opposite hands?
Think the “Pirate” would make a good officer for the Alamo defenders.
Interesting.
Question?
The LIDO copied Marx pose or got the mold from Marx, or are these the LIDO semiflat cloned from MARX poses? I got among my many Marx 60 mm the seating w bazooka and always told it is Marx, Mine are OD almost rubber material. Never see that under LIDO 60 mm cloned from Marx.
The resin “pirate” look to me more like a Mexican or gaucho with typical machete. Not a pirate with “revolver”.Rare nice pose. May be i’m wrong!!?
I like the cowboy playing guitar. Is true ,so few done and so many needed. But I believe Beton or some early hard plastic figure was done in same exact pose too !!?.
The seating cowboy pose is a HK copy of indeed Comansi.
Comansi are way taller and it t was done for companion of stagecoach and the wagon rider in early version.After 80’s the figures was left alone as rider, rider w whip disappear. I happen to have the same figure but in blue clothing too as well original comansi.
I will look in my safari pirate pose to see, interesting the pose change, never noticed.
I like the conversion from Peter, it look from Cherilea or may be crescent!!? but very well done. Nice job!!
JOHILCO cowboys are hard to find unless traveling ,even in eBay are hard to get
Erwin
Lido copied the Marx poses at the time you could not copy right poses. they are very hard to tell apart.
I don’t know if the person who designed the pirate was basing it on the Jean Lafitte, but I agree with Brian you could use it in Alamo setting.
I was not sure if it was a copy or original of Comansi. I like the pose.
Johillco figures pop up in the states as they were sold here.
I am curious on what figure Peter used for the conversions. I like conversions as you get poses makers never did.
In the early 1950s both Marx and Lido had their molds made by outside contractors and their 60mm GIs were made about 1952 before companies started copyrighting figures. I believe the same mold maker made both the Marx and the Lido combat GIs and to save themselves some time and money used some of their master sculpts for both companies. They made the Marx officer, advancing and standing shooting with smooth helmets and the Lido figures with netting on the helmets. The fourth shared pose prone shooting is hard to tell which is Lido and and which is Marx. Some time later 1957 or 58 Kelloggs wanted a set of soldiers and evidently the same mold maker was contracted who made the mold for them (I am told Kelloggs would tell their cereal box maker to source the premiums). For the premium set the mold maker copied the ten Lido poses 4 of which had also been Marx poses + 4 more poses that they had made also for Marx in 1951/52. As both Marx and Lido had provided figures to the cereal companies it was assumed that the 14 figure combat set came from Lido, but the four poses added to the premium set were not sold by Lido. If they had owned the mold they would have used it for themselves as well.
Kent
Cereal companies would use companies that specialized in premiums. Sometimes the cereal companies would come up with the idea or the company making the premiums. Premiums were especially strong in the 30’s and 40’s when they were tied into the children’s radio shows. The premium would be part of the show. One premium the Lone Ranger Frontier Town was a series of cardboard cutout buildings from cereal would have the child follow along in the adventures.
The soldiers are an interesting question as to whether original molds were used or copies. If that mold was a copy that mold has not turned up anywhere like some of the cereal premiums molds that showed up in Mexico.
One question did you get one figure or two in box of cereal.
Correction at close look ,he has a pistol . Not a revolver as I said before. Not definitely hard to tell if is from Lafitte or not, but interesting any how, too bad not plastic.
I had never see a johilco cowboy locally or at any shows. So definitely I had miss it.
Another hunt. Oh lord, it never end!!
Yes agree conversion made of old figures are more interesting as it give me imagination of what the original factory would had done ,but turn out an imaginative collector did after. I like when paint is added to conversion or figure painted as add more realism and cover any spot.
Still conversion not painted as those from Ed and Greg are very well done too.
We probably all have seen the larger version of the guitar playing cowboy ( I think Payton may have done the larger figure ),probably around 5 inches tall give or take don’t know who made the smaller version ( Mexico South America would be my first guesses ?). the Pirate woman looks nice I have read on the internet somewhere (it may have been on Stad’s) about some figures that were made in China I believe that were very similar to other Pirate figures that were made but there were some slight differences such as weapons in the opposite hands, and if I remember right someone thought they might have been made by Chinese Art students ? This figure might have been converted, maybe the person preferred the weapons in the opposite hands then painted it to help blend a conversion ?
Mark.You right.I think the one you talking about is 3″ ,but not positive under Payton,may be I’m wrong and it look very alike.
The pirate is not Stad;(stads/replicant) only did two figures as far I know, a roman gladiator nice pose and a woman cowboy kneeling firing with revolver. For that Admin should explain better as I could be wrong too.
The one saying about (made by Chinese Art students ),was me but referring to pirates Toy-smith and others variation poses sets done that have some similarities .It is common in cheap Chinese production to take cast/figures out of redesigned students prototype to mass produce them using aluminum molds, it has been done x years. In this case may be a reverse pose mold 3D-blue print design was done.(in the command Star wars set I found out two storm troopers w it ).Safari is US owned company. I will have to check w my set.
Thanks for the info again Erwin, I have both of those Stad’s figures ,I especially like the sculpting on the Roman and from what I understand Peter Cole is the Replicants sculptor, as Daniel Murphy mentioned the 5 inch Cowboy and others in that set were done by Ajax .
The cowboy with Guitar was first made for AJAX in a 5-6 inch size. The small guy was a copy made in Hing Kong perhaps by former Lido Owner Effrem Arenstein after he sold Lido and set up operations in Hong Kong. The Ajax owner was his cousin in law and a number of exLido and exAjax figure copies were made in HK.
I have this guitar player as well. He has a bunch of buddies, all very slim like him. one is shooting a revolver up in the air with his hat in the other hand, no doubt drunk after a cattle drive. Auburn also made a great cowboy figure playing the guitar and singing up a storm. He is very well molded and animated. Too bad they were a bit too large to fit with most 54mm guys. .
Brian are you talking about the semi flat premium cowbys plastic figures from Australia molds or others!?
You are correct I totally forgot about my aurburns and guy w guitar, and yes aurburn western are great in detail.
Luky x me I collect all scale so I can match w others ,so they are perfect with my reamsa,comansi,Tim mee,Marx 70 mm and others 70 mm scale figures as they taller than 60 mm marx others too.
I too collect all scales. I have that guitar-plunk’in cowboy in the 5″ size as well. As has now been established by others, he is not the premium you ask about. He is a cheapo but did have some buddies , all of whom are very slender with small bases. Smaller than 54mm I am sure.
The 45 mm cowboy with the guitar is a shrunken version of the Ajax five inch figure. I picked up some of these cowboys and Indians maybe ten or more years ago. They were nicely molded in various colors, but very slender with small bases. I think they were being sold as birthday party favors. They were roughly the same size as the smaller Airfix cowboy and Indian clones that were everywhere in those days and offered some variety for western set-ups.
You are right Daniel, Ajax made them, I also Googled Image Ajax Cowboy with guitar and some nice Photos from Toy Soldier HQ Inc came up show both sizes.
Thanks Daniel,yep not ones I thought but Ajax copies, may be from china/HK.
I also saw then now after Mark mention TSHQ. And Mark you were correct about 5″ scale-good memory!!. I rather get smaller version I guess. I got a lot scale but my max is 4″ in toy soldiers.
Admin.I just compare my safari pirates and are exact as yours, but after looking all poses and safari LTD site picture versus mine,I found out that all are in reverse, so I think it was an image issue from their web site.
Erwin
I had a feeling it might be a mirror reverse, why they would do that who knows.
Look at the pictures on the package, the larger images clearly show the Marx 60mm grenade thrower throwing left handed, but the smaller picture is clearly the Lido GI. The guy bayoneting is also backwards.
Yes I’m still confuse the poster is showing some MARX poses with LIDO 60 mm; or all MARX 60-WOW were copied by LIDO!?.I need more clrea information on that if possible as I’m just to MARX and some cloned LIDO but did not know if all were used/copied by LIDO or LIDO used it in the image advertise only.
Another interesting detail, it is true another reverse image, what it is up with that!?
Lido copied 4 poses from Marx, standing firing, prone firing, the office with one hand up and pistol and the guy with the bayonet. The Marx WOW were copies of the Marx 60mm poses. Three of the large images were the copied poses, plus the fourth from the left bottom row of the smaller images
I always,(And still do.), liked the LIdo G.I.’s. I guess it is because they along with the Timmee G.I.’s were the toy soldiers I had for the longest time before I got some MARX G.I.’s and Germans. I know they are more 2-D than 3-D, but you have to love the tough looking G.I.’s in combat that they represent.
If I am not mistaken, I think Kent at TSHQ counted around 17 or more poses of Lido G.I.’s that he knew of.
BOBBYGMOORE
The Lido officer has a web netting on his helmet and the Marx officer has a helmet with Captain’s Bars which back in the day earned him the name “Old Smoothy” as I only had 1 in his pose.
I know not right spot and place to talk about ,but I do have some concern for fellow collectors.
I know so far admi doing better after his snow/wind impact and will like to know about those near ocean as Bill Nevins that I had not heard from him in days. Hope all are fine, we up here in northern NY did not have nothing as too far north but have the old snow still in ground and of course more coming soon.
Still hope best for those and wind had not take power ,careful shoveling out there friends
I thought Bill was from Queens.
Ed.Queens is the northwest part of Long Island-NY and same time one of 5 borough of NYC.The area was affected by 7-8″ only but winds are hard in the area because is in the Atlantic. I do not know how close to ocean he live. Some areas loose power but most not. When I lived in NYC I remember be only 30F and the area of Queens feel like in 10f when windy, plus humid cold too.
PA and others had more snow I heard.
I live now(well since 2004) in upstate NY STATE,close to Canada, about 4 hours drive from NYC, We did not got any from this one.
Correction .Queens-JFK got almost 31 ” snow as last report, so they got slammed good so far..
Wow, they got nailed good. We got nothing here, this time.
Ed and Erwin
We got 31.9 inches of snow. This was the most snow every recorded for one day. The worst part was shoveling out. I took it easy on shoveling out and had two gentlemen dig the cars out. I am already done with snow.
Thank you for your concern gentlemen but all is well here on Long Island. We got about 3 feet of snow and I have been too busy snowblowing (is that a real word?)to comment here. No power outages so far and people have all behaved reasonably well. Vehicles were not allowed on the roads, so that kept everyone inside.
We watched ” Miracle” which still gives me a lump in my throat when I see it. You have to have been alive in 1980 and have been a hockey fan to understand.
I watched “Last Of The Mohicans” for the 200th time. Great movie with an unbelievable score.
Ed, I’ve lived in Nassau County since 1976. I am originally from Queens and most of my family is there.
Great.I’m glad good and sound Bill.
The figure in the green beret is a repaired HILCO figure. There were four figures in the set. Advancing, Standing firing, both copied from Marx 60mm and Throwing grenade and lying firing copied from Cherilea.
The cowboy playing the guitar is by TAK SHING – China
They are copies of 80mm American made figures (Payton ?). They turned up in the cheapo shops over here in the early 1990s.
There were Cowboys + Indians, Ninjas, Monsters, US Army and farm.
They still turn up in the junk boxes at shows.
Peter
Thanks for the Update on the two figures. I do not remember getting any of Hilco army over the years I will have to check. The Hilco cowboys and Indians do show up here from time to time. I did some more checking and got confirmed by Kent Sprecher’s web site that the cowboy playing guitar was Joy Toy. It had been made earlier by another toy company called Ajax. Joy Toy did the figures in 45mm. Maybe the Chinese company got that mold. Interesting when looking at the photo that Kent has of Joy toy 45mm figures there is a cowboy with bayonet rifle. I have not see any of those figures in my searches.
Admin.I had the guy advancing w bayonet carbine ,but he is not a cowboy, he looks more a soldier w high boots and army coat. He also has the revolver holster in army style way. I do not know how I got and where come from but not with any other cowboys as showed in Kent site. He appear more like a US soldiers from American/Spanish war. Indeed an interesting pose/figure. Will check later to see if any marks bellow.
Britain’s also has a Cowboy figure firing a Garand!!
I just looked at the cowboy with the carbine and bayonet at Kent’s site. The 45mm Ajax clones that I picked up in the 90’s or early 2000′ definitely did not include him. My figures were pretty close miniature replicas of all the 5 inch Ajax poses, including the small bases. Several of the figures that are pictured on Kent’s site have larger bases. That means that we have two different lines of these Ajax/Joy Toy recasts or clones that were around and about in the stores some twenty years ago. I have no idea where the cowboy with the carbine and bayonet came from. His torso resembles the guitar playing cowboy, but don’t know about those legs!
No.It is still a cowboy.
Hunter from Texas.!!
LOL
referring
to Brian comment
Daniel the guy is in leggings/gaitters over shorts boots ,shirt inside ,revolver handle/positions in army way, he has the more close to US field /else in 1898 uniform style. I have it and saw.Now the thing is I do not have any clue when and where I got it.But he is mix with others cheap cowboys airfix copies I have.So some how the pose is taken from another figure or original design!?
I did not check till saw pic and admin pointed out, x some time I sow him as BMC but now I realize he is not.
Erwin, this figure really is fascinating. Looking at the picture at Kent’s site he does look like a turn of the century military man. Could he be intended to be a Rough Rider? I suppose the rifle could be a toyish take on a Krag-Jorgenson or Springfield – hard to tell from the picture. But other than BMC, AIP and the old Marx company I have never heard of Spanish American War figures being done in plastic – and why would some presumably Chinese outfit do a one-off of such a figure mixed in with a bunch of cowboy clones? All the more interesting is that his torso really does seem to be related to the Ajax guitar player – look at the neckerchief, the position of his arms, his right cuff etc. It is fascinating how toy soldier makers have “borrowed” from each other over the years.
Yep, is funny how they do mix, still interesting figures come out that. I do personally like when Chinese or HK copied and varied poses or mix it. Creating all new figures. If figures are not too crude of course.
The figures in back as I have and look have some bullet in the belt, the hat is not the typical US army (campaign hat),but more like Spaniard/Tejano or cordovez style, it is so odd and rare. The rifle in any figure this size never has much detail, but definitely not a typical Winchester.I like when things like this pup up, but wonder the origin too.Another mystery to resolve..one day!!
Not sure your Comansi is a copy… have a look on the forum
http://soldatplastique-1-32.forumgratuit.org/t4694-chariots-et-diligence-far-west
berthoux, i used to be a member on that site ,I liked the site but I do not parlait Francais and they band me from their site for some reason I have never known for sure,the only thing I could think of was maybe I did not sign out each time I left the site and they got mad at that, Too bad I liked that site ?!
Hi Mark, the reason is maybe your non introduction or the lack of participation. Wath was your pseudonym?
I believe it was Markster , I went on the site many times ,I believe I made a couple comments, I tried your link but could not get on, they gave me a message so I translated it but the translation was not very good and I took it that they were banning me for some reason unknown to me , I did not use profanity or anything so , I chalk it up to a communication problem ?
Matthias.Thank you.
I have Martin comansi catalog
and also the figures with wagon and stagecoath.Also the HK poses.HK copied also 4 Indians and 4 is US Cavalry/civil war poses .I got those as well.
HK Copies are 54 mm aprox and painted over pink base color wile Comansi are close 80 mm. I may need to see the figure from Paul to see the size and compare.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-1952-cowboy-Indian-plastic-play-set-Davy-Crockett-Bunkhouse-/161951767972?ssPageName=ADME%3AL%3ACOSI%3AUS%3A1123&nma=true&si=UhsfjiTqlnUKBhUOsXUk6jaRld4%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
I won this on Ebay. Who knows what these are? I think the that cabin is probably Plasticville, but I’m not sure.
The figures???? Got me.
Bill
The building is Plasticville. The figures are one of the Comic book offers of the 50’s.
Bill ,this link has some history but not your set.
you read and follow the links in it.
http://www.thortrains.net/milihistriot/comictoys/comicbooktoysoldiersintro.html
The flats were made by Marx as a Davy Crockett set and you can see the Crockett figure below the stagecoach in the picture. The figure were sold in header cards to be used as Romper Room and also sold a small boxed playset in a brown box with the cabin which may have be gotten from Plasticville or made by the same mold maker as the Plasticville version.
Kent
Yes that is what Eric Johns said on his great web site. http://www.marxwildwest.com/wildwest.html
I had seen those figures often , but because flat are not my like I always pass quick. It looks like the Custers last stand and revolution /medieval sets done by a company back them too. Poses are great,so sad they are flat.
The Custer set wasn’t a comic book offered set, but rather a set of what I like to call semi-flat figures. I refer to them as semi flat because each side was sculpted differently unlike most flat figures. The Custer set was I believe the only one made by a company called Gibbs. What was really unique about the Custer set was each figure and even each tee pee was different, no two figures alike. There were 80 different poses plus 4 tee pees and 1 wagon. There was also a mat and booklet and it came in a tube not a box or a bag. One of my all time favorite sets.
Ed, I thought that they might be Gibbs, which is why I bought them. I have seen most of the comic book flats but I do not recall these. I didn’t find them on that comic book link.
The bases look very similar to Superior plastic figures bases.
Anyone know who made these and what set they are from?
Bill ,sorry as I said not in site I sent, I try my best ,but flats are out of my collection ,so I’m very bad there. I can not help.So I’m out of the race this time.
Any ways I most admit, not a common set as not seen before, the wagons do looks similar to the Custer last stand that ed correct me and are not COMIC as he said.
The only flat I got are Russian made(more soviet era) that because nostalgic,other than that I had not collect, may be one day when I win the lotto!
So you got a good deal/hunt there .I love when we get fast easy win of hard items.
I had a Gibbs set minus instructions, these are definitely not Gibbs, I also have some of these figures packed away ,I think mine might be in a sort of grey marble colors, love the sculpting on these do not know who made them , I’m jealous of you Bill, good price too !
I can’t see the picture, but I think Kent has some of those Davey Crockett marbled figures on his site, I think I’ve seen them before, but don’t remember who made them.
Check on Kent’s site Marx for sale Western Figures. Are they the Romper Room Davey Crockett flats?
yes
I too have a Gibbs set. It has the booklet and paymat. If there is someone out there who needs the booklet to complete the Gibbs set, I can make you a copy if you let me know. I also have many of the comic sets and do not recall ever seeing a western one except the ACW. I found a box at a PA flea market with several full sets of the Cracker Jack western series as well. They are good and do have tents, wagons etc. but these are not those ones. I agree that they look most like the set of Davy Crockett figures. Marbled, a bit bigger than the others and very well sculpted. Very cool.
Thanks for the offer Brian, not looking right now but will try to keep you in mind if I change my mind !
Bill here is and the cabin was part of the set ,look and scroll down.
Best
http://marxwildwest.com/inventory7.html#romper_room
Romper Room, now I remember ! That bagged set looks awesome, lot of pieces there it looks like. I’m sure I would have hated these as kid because they are flat but as an adult I love them ! Thanks for the link !
WOW!!!! These are Marx figures! I never would have guessed. Amazing. I only bid because I thought that they may be Gibbs figures from an unknown set. And of course the word CROCKET will draw my attention every time.
Thanks to everyone for all their help. Especially you, Erwin. You nailed it.
Everyone
Thanks for the correction. The cobwebs made me think naturally on the comic book flats. The correct answer is Marx Romper Room. I had the bags nearly forty years ago from the warehouse find and I sold them all as they did not interest me. I have seen them to now. I never saw the cabin.
No Bill. Ed is the one who mention the name and correct recognize them with his brain and good memory. From there I just went for the name and found.
Thanks Ed ,not me please.I just pass the link as I google quick in my phone and pup up.
Very cool. I would never have picked up they were Marx. I have the WWII flats but thought that was all he did as far as flats went. Great to have some experts help out. Great find.
This was really a fun thread. All forums should strive to be like this. Good information without the drama. Thanks to all for solving my mystery. It was a very enjoyable read.
The figures came today and there are some broken ones, but overall this is the best find that I have made since the flea market closed for the winter. The Crockett figure has a short rifle, damn! Still, it’s a Marx Character figure….LOL
The cabin is really impressive with that sculpted on long rifle over the front door and the Davy Crockett sign. Impressive.
So, is this a considered Marx building?
If so, where does it rank in scarcity?
I’ll have to pull out my Plasticville cabins and compare them. This seems a bit smaller to me.
Bill
As Erwin said the cabin you got is not a Plasticville cabin but Marx as there are differences. It is a building that people are not aware of, but the demand is hard and value is hard to say.
Bill.
The following link has the answer x you.
the first model/mold is Bachman -copied and sold under Plastiville.
As you scroll down the secondo model mold done by Bachman with detached rifle and last pictures(click on pictures to read what said bellow it) with all molded ,not separated RIFLE AND STICKER but mold in to it is described as cabin made from Marx mold, not PlasticVille.
Hope this give you a final answer.
http://www.plasticvillefornewbies.com/davy-crockett-log-cabins.html
So clearly is considered a Marx mold made cabin.
Bill I have two plastiville cabin ,i compare w one in link I sent you; is not same.So should be different and hard to get!?
Also I will send a link of Plastiville x u later as Im not home now
One GI per box. The whole premium business is murky as in the early days of plastic figure collecting in the 80s it was not known or understood. A Mr Block in Chicago had many molds made including the initial “Stuarts” western figures. After his cereal promotion he sold the mold to Stuart where they expanded the line and sold as toys. When I learned this news it was too late to find out more as he had passed away, and it was very difficult to find out information about premiums as makers were unknown or dead. There was one factory in England that made many of the UK premiums including the soldiers of history. Rubenstein an American promotions company got remnants of many premium lines from them in the 1970s and 80s and sold them over here in small header bags. Many US, European and Australian plastic figure molds have ended up in Mexico and in 2000 Rubenstein got a wide variety of expremiums and sold them in small header card bags (a few say made in Great Britain or USA but most say Mexico). As to where the cereal premium GI mold is located it is hard to say. Unlike the big figure companies who had expensive molds that would last a long time the cereal premium molds may have been made cheaper and were not as durable and may well have been scrapped. With all the companies going out of business in the 1960s and 70s companies like Jay Horowitz’s American Plastic started buying and selling molds and many got all mixed together and then ended up in Mexico. There were three major factories in Mexico and the man that bought the exMarx affiliate Plastimarx business eventually bought out the other two concerns. The molds are in three or four locations and the owner is rich and does not like how he was treated by Americans who came down to have stuff run in the 1980s and 90s. His nephew is now making some stuff but has no idea what molds he has. So the cereal GI mold may be there somewhere but who knows when or even if it will ever surface. Without bases the figures would not be popular in my opinion.
Kent
First what is murky about the early days of plastic figure collecting in the 80’s?
As to premium business information it is not murky it is not on the web. The premiums collectors found out who the companies were. Some of it was found out when the assets of these companies were sold. Laurie’s pre engagement ring was Space Patrol Space Gun ring. (She got a real engagement ring soon after.) The ring had been part of a find of the rings and other premiums that had turned up in a junk yard. Other information was found going through trade publications that had small circulations. Many of the premium companies were situated in Chicago because that is where many of the Children’s kid shows originated. They were also not far from the cereal companies.
The later molds while of a cheap material still had life to be resold aboard. Some were used as premiums in other countries or party favorites.
It is well known that Rubenstein used premiums for its figure bags. Many of them had been made by R&L company in Australia.
Dinamicos was the Mexican company that came up to the Toy Fair They bought Plastimarx. The other company you are talking about maybe Jugtuemundo which had some Marx molds, which I bought French from. Dinamicos had a lot of problems with various Americans. I have discuss it over the years.
The mold of the cereal army figures would have little interest to collectors. It would be for general market.
Paul, Yes, there is a difference between Rare and Valuable. I’ve got lots of “rare” stuff in my collection that is worthless, as far as money goes. Toy figures are only worth what someone else is willing to pay for them. For me, the value is in the hunt and the fun that goes with it when you turn up an unusual item.
These Crockett figures are rare. I’ve never seen them before in my 40 odd years of collecting. Doesn’t mean that they are worth silly money.
What they are worth to me, is the satisfaction of finding an unusual item that I knew nothing about. I didn’t even know that they existed before.
That’s the fun part of this hobby and it’s what keeps me interested in it.
Bill
The true answer is how much enjoyment for you is an item. I have gotten rare items too but they are worth nothing. An item is rare if you never seen it. You and I are old hands at this we gone to so many toy shows and flea markets we lost count. So it would be rare if we have never seen it before. Someone else may see it all the time. I remember one time over I am over at a Plastic Warrior and Glen Smith from Detroit is over. He had just got the 60mm Cherilea Napoleonic Soldier walking that he had been looking for. Right after that Peter Evans handed a small tub with at least six figures of the Cherilea Napoleonic figure.
I agree with both.Bill and Paul.
I think both have same idea .
This case I had never see this before till Bill showed here.
Of course in old American items I’m still learning and flat are not my interst.Still when we see and find something and fall love x it(sorry the expression).the item is very value and made us feel happy and proud.No matter how much it will sale .it has a big value.
In this case I think was found under price a lot.even w missing and broken pieces.
I google ebay and have set up it to search x me automatic all new vintage coming daily..It show in my 3 screens side bar every day.Till today I had not notice it.So if this set is not seen often or barrely.Then is very rare for that reason.
At shows I do way less than bith you.
So a good find/hunt.
Intersting too it come w a non plastiville mold cabin but made by marx specific x this set.
Wonder what welse could see in this forum from happy hunting.
Bill; I have had them pictured at my website for a few years. I saw the little boxed set go through ebay last year. A small plain brown box with the set name on it. You can find the figures in green, grayish and a reddishbrown color. I have an ad pictured from the Simpsons (Canada Sears affiliate) 1957 catalog as well and it looks like they were sold in a tube much like the Gibbs Custer set whose packaging idea may have been copied by one of the two companies. Stad pointed out to me that Eric Johns has some nice pictures at his website as well.
Kent the Eric Johns site links is the one I post two or three days ago. Bill saw it already.I post it and another with cabin explanation too ,here again .
http://marxwildwest.com/inventory7.html#romper_room
http://www.plasticvillefornewbies.com/davy-crockett-log-cabins.html
My “Murky” comment was the scarcity of information on the premium makers in the early days. When Tim Geppert made his plastic figure guide he misnamed a lot of figures used as premiums. I enjoy researching the companies that made our beloved figures but hit a lot of dead ends when trying to figure out the premium figure makers. Most of the people I respect for their knowledge knew very little. When I finally found out about Mr. Block he was deceased. I have bought a few books on premiums and there is very little information on the makers of plastic premiums. It has been very frustrating.
Kent
Tim Geppert’s guide is loaded with errors as your corrections show. (I hope to have it up shortly) To do research you have to go physically the libraries. I did this in the 70’s and 80’s going to New York and Philadelphia plus Los Angeles for a party who was interested in old radio shows. Some of the material was literally crumbling in my hands. I have not had the time do that in many years. It was easier to get into those libraries back into the 70’s 80’s
I spent time in several libraries looking through manual microfilm reels of old newspapers looking for information. It was tedious to say the least.
Kent
Looking at microfilm can be tedious, but I find it interesting as I never know what information I might turn up. I have fun roaming the stacks of a library. Some times you find a book or magazine you need that has not been touched in years.
Interesting.Library are incredible great. Today neglected because internet and apparently many works being digital transfer to internet library. I wonder how much had been left back and archived x ever with out been put in to digital media. Does loosing the data for ever to eyes of true researchers.
I was rise and lectured by priest all my childhood till 21 and made literally read so many books rich in history and else, also able to read others places full of books not able to general public. It is incredible what all this is now long gone and will never bee red again.
Every library have own work, regions often save more that others, money invested in treasure books and data collection made another difference when come to which library made have more works related to one topic versus others.
I been to NYC’s Lincoln library few times and I can attest it have a lot others do not.
Recently I notice a lot of empty areas and either hiding or elimination information, they claim to be internet transfer, when searching on it, nothing is found. Wonder why?
Technology have kill the spirit of interaction with person a lot , also the reading in libraries, affect the hobby we enjoy in big way. Accelerating the way new people generation knowledge forcing to believe what is only in digital information.
No freedom of research and choices.
Erwin
Yes libraries are great and interesting places to find things. Sadly the internet has hurt them. The New York Public Library is the second largest in the United States and the fourth largest in the world. Some of the collection has been move to other libraries in the city. I had to go up to the Lincoln Center for research on radio in the 30’s and 40’s. Some is digitized now and much is in storage due to space. Still it is a lot of fun to go to a library.
Yes Paul but sadly.Not much fun now as before.Plenty has been move ,no some ,way more than before I went in 2002,2003 and 2004,then in 2011;that is when I notice a huge change .I ask about they give me some tips and places, also suggestion, some collection had been actually sold out incredible, lack of funds had hurt too libraries. I know two person who work there and still does. Both tell me the inside of it.There is even material damage and literally wasted because lack of good clean and safe storage place to storage it.There tell of even researchers paying employees and getting items out that never come back.
It is sad but true.
Erwin
Yes it is sad about the situation on libraries as you say.