Reader Friends Sharing Figures, we have some items from other sources than me. First, Rich Fisher shares some unknown figures and some Untouchable conversions he has done. Next, Peter Bergner shares a photo of a Jean Space Station he got at a Belgium toy show.
One thing I like on the internet is we can not only share items with friends, but with others. People can find out about new items or remember having them. This is being accomplished through my site, Facebook, and other places. The sharers have done across various platforms or exclusive to one site. Never should anyone degrade a person for staying exclusive with one site over theirs.
Reader Friends Sharing Figures Rich Fisher
Rich Fisher acquired a couple of unknown soldiers which he needs help in identifying There are two different paratroopers, I have seen them before but do not know where.These soldiers are very likely from Spain. Erwin will let us know if I am right or not.The soldier on the right standing firing has Rich with questions. He looks like a Werner but smaller. Look at Kent’s Sprecher’s site, the figure does not match the Werner. The Werner is a copy of the Ideal figure. The figure I feel is one of the less common Timmee GI’s. Do you agree with me?The final soldier that Rich has is a Blue Box. Lastly, we have Rich’s conversion of three Untouchable figures. On the two gangsters, he changed the heads. With Elliot Ness, he changed the right arm.
Jean Space Set
My very good friend Peter Bergner went to Belgium for a toy show with another great friend. Peter always looking for items for his junk box. This time he found an item he had been looking for 20 years a Jean Luner station. Peter has gotten all the pieces loose before this. We showed Detlef’s acquisition of a Jean Spaceman card recently. If you would have a box variation to this set that you would like to sell let me know for Peter.
Coming Attractions
We will have figures from Andreas Dittman up next. Following that, we will have various items I recently acquired for resale and collection. Take care
The two advancing and running poses with modern weapons plus above green trowing grenade next to para w parachute pack are from France Quilralu brand all 3 poses belong to 8 poses paratrooper commando set .
In reality the set has 6 paratroopers and two former US infantry men poses from previews liberation set add to set by Quiralu when produced in plastic .Paras poses are the one with pockets in pants .Notice the one advancing with more red pain on ot has no paras pants .
BB WW2 soldier Russian part of 6 poses set post here by me and Markus from Germany complement photos as well before .Very hard find in US least.
The gold paratrooper in right with parachute pack had been copied and sold in Spain,Germany ,Italy ,France and other countries in various qualities copies,I do not know if base in specific pose set from other manufacturer .
The TM were sold also as copies in Spain and Italy in the 50 and 54 mm scale in many poses but i do not know about these ones now.
Nice gangster conversion done!!!
best
With all respect please..
In my opinion and view most of the Werner poses are not Ideal copies but copies or clone of TM-PP poses as the they have short as TM 1943 US army Type III Field Boot clearly represented in all TM-PP poses and not the toll early WW2 M1938 Canvas Leggings- puttees that are represented in all 16 poses of IDEAL soldiers poses .
Poses such bayoneting ,prone machine gun and firing prone are clone of TM not Ideal and other such wounded ,stretcher carriers unique of TM- PP.not Ideal.
I don’t see why they are described as base in Ideal
All Werner soldiers I have carry Werner IL words engraved in base and or in logo bellow.
Yet, to me…
The unknown firing pose does not look as Werner because Werner pose has short shirt with belt but looks almost like an actual TM pose or even a LIDO alike same pose made that in return is base in Marx almost identical pose or vise-versa . http://www.angelfire.com/biz/toysoldierhq/Marxww.html
my thoughts..
best
With what we now know about plastics is that polyethylene needed a catalyst to be used in the injection molds that would make high volumes of pieces. The first such catalyst was developed in 1951 and a better one in 1953. So Tim-Mee started up sometime between 1951 and 1953. Those of us who have interviewed former employees had all been told 1948. 1948 Was the year Processed Plastic started and in 1964 Processed Plastic took over Tim-Mee and when we talked to people they were all working at Processed Plastic so when asked they would say 1948. I had wondered about this for years. The Ideal soldiers were made in 1951 first in hard plastic with glue on bases, then in rubber like vinyl and finally in polyethylene. They made their soldiers before Tim-Mee. Tim-Mee made their cowboys & Indians on foot first perhaps in 1951-53 and the GIs in 1953-55 based upon ads I have seen. We know little about Werner other than like Tim-Mee they were near Chicago and used similar plastics. Werner made 13 soldiers and a stretcher. The stretcher, stretcher bearer, wounded man and man prone shooting MG are based upon Tim-Mee figures and the man kneeling with radio is based upon a Marx 60mm GI. The other 9 figures are based upon Ideal soldiers. Details on all of them have been switched to avoid any charges of copying being leveled. If you look at the Werner Cowboys that were based upon Tim-Mee poses you can see the same thing. If a Tim-Mee pose has boots the Werner figure will get shoes etc….
The two advancing and running poses with modern weapons plus above green trowing grenade next to para w parachute pack are from France Quilralu brand all 3 poses belong to 8 poses paratrooper commando set .
In reality the set has 6 paratroopers and two former US infantry men poses from previews liberation set add to set by Quiralu when produced in plastic .Paras poses are the one with pockets in pants .Notice the one advancing with more red pain on ot has no paras pants .
BB WW2 soldier Russian part of 6 poses set post here by me and Markus from Germany complement photos as well before .Very hard find in US least.
The gold paratrooper in right with parachute pack had been copied and sold in Spain,Germany ,Italy ,France and other countries in various qualities copies,I do not know if base in specific pose set from other manufacturer .
The TM were sold also as copies in Spain and Italy in the 50 and 54 mm scale in many poses but i do not know about these ones now.
Nice gangster conversion done!!!
best
With all respect please..
In my opinion and view most of the Werner poses are not Ideal copies but copies or clone of TM-PP poses as the they have short as TM 1943 US army Type III Field Boot clearly represented in all TM-PP poses and not the toll early WW2 M1938 Canvas Leggings- puttees that are represented in all 16 poses of IDEAL soldiers poses .
Poses such bayoneting ,prone machine gun and firing prone are clone of TM not Ideal and other such wounded ,stretcher carriers unique of TM- PP.not Ideal.
I don’t see why they are described as base in Ideal
All Werner soldiers I have carry Werner IL words engraved in base and or in logo bellow.
Yet, to me…
The unknown firing pose does not look as Werner because Werner pose has short shirt with belt but looks almost like an actual TM pose or even a LIDO alike same pose made that in return is base in Marx almost identical pose or vise-versa .
http://www.angelfire.com/biz/toysoldierhq/Marxww.html
my thoughts..
best
Also TM come in 1948 to 1950 and Ideal Gis first come in 1951.so in reality it will be Ideal who copied TM-PP then
This interesting blog tell more also TM Figures…
http://timmee-army.blogspot.com/p/60mm-soldiers-series-ii.html
I would disagree that Ideal copied Timmee standing firing as they are very different.
With what we now know about plastics is that polyethylene needed a catalyst to be used in the injection molds that would make high volumes of pieces. The first such catalyst was developed in 1951 and a better one in 1953. So Tim-Mee started up sometime between 1951 and 1953. Those of us who have interviewed former employees had all been told 1948. 1948 Was the year Processed Plastic started and in 1964 Processed Plastic took over Tim-Mee and when we talked to people they were all working at Processed Plastic so when asked they would say 1948. I had wondered about this for years. The Ideal soldiers were made in 1951 first in hard plastic with glue on bases, then in rubber like vinyl and finally in polyethylene. They made their soldiers before Tim-Mee. Tim-Mee made their cowboys & Indians on foot first perhaps in 1951-53 and the GIs in 1953-55 based upon ads I have seen. We know little about Werner other than like Tim-Mee they were near Chicago and used similar plastics. Werner made 13 soldiers and a stretcher. The stretcher, stretcher bearer, wounded man and man prone shooting MG are based upon Tim-Mee figures and the man kneeling with radio is based upon a Marx 60mm GI. The other 9 figures are based upon Ideal soldiers. Details on all of them have been switched to avoid any charges of copying being leveled. If you look at the Werner Cowboys that were based upon Tim-Mee poses you can see the same thing. If a Tim-Mee pose has boots the Werner figure will get shoes etc….