Expeditionary Force Roman Figures Coming Soon our Peter Bergner has let us know on the next release from Expeditionary Force. It is Romans done in several different styles.
Expeditionary Force Roman Figures Coming Soon Details
Very pleased to inform you of the coming release of the first sets of the Roman Army series in the “60mm Wars of the Roman Empire (27B.C.–A.D.476)” range
There will be 5 sets in total in this first release of the Romans:-
- 60 RMN 01 – I Legionaries (Legio I Italica)
2. 60 RMN 01 – A Legionaries (Legio II Augusta)
3. 60 RMN 01 – G Legionaries (Legio III Gallica)
4. 60 RMN 01 – H Legionaries (Legio IX Hispana)
5. 60 RMN 01 – P Praetorian Guards
The sets will be available for shipment by next Monday, 3 September 2018 All models are supplied unpainted.
Each set contains 9 model foot soldiers comprising of 1 centurion, 4 legionaries advancing (2 poses) and 4 legionaries in defence (2 poses) in various action poses. The different sub-sets above are mainly designed to provide gamers with the option to form units with differences in the type of heads (helmets) and shields.
For collectors who only wish to purchase a single set, set 60 RMN 01 – H, should provide the most representative model of Early Imperial Roman Legionaries. These legionaries wear the un-crested Imperial Gallic helmets.
Expeditionary Force Roman Figures Coming Soon Photos
60 RMN 01 – I Legionaries (Legio I Italica)
This set’s legionaries wear the Imperial Italic helmet with a horse-hair crest and a straight–sided shield with winged thunderbolt shield emblem.
60 RMN 01 – A Legionaries (Legio II Augusta)
This set’s legionaries wear the Imperial Gallic helmet with the box-crest and a curved –sided shield with a laurel wreath shield emblem. 60 RMN 
60 RMN 01 – G Legionaries (Legio III Gallica)
This set’s legionaries wear the Imperial Gallic helmet with a horse-hair crest and a straight–sided shield with winged thunderbolt shield emblem. 
60 RMN 01 – H Legionaries (Legio IX Hispana)
This set’s legionaries wear the un-crested Imperial Gallic helmet with a straight–sided shield with a laurel wreath shield emblem. 
60 RMN 01 – P Praetorian Guards
This set’s legionaries wear feather-crested Imperial Italic helmet with decoration, with an oval shield.
The next set in the queue is 54 AMR 03 American Woodland Indians of the War of 1812 range. (This set is in toolings phase and should be available in late September or early October.)
X force hits it way out of the park once again! Just wish I ha enough money to buy all of them
Looking forward to these sets. I’d like to see a scale photo with other brands such as TSSD, No Name, Marx 60mm, Reamsa and Jescan.
This maker is producing sets as a bread maker. Way far faster than anyone.
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First of all, I’d like to thank you again, Paul, for being such a wonderful source of information about breaking news in our hobby. When I first started collecting again in earnest 20 years ago, you were the very heart of toy soldiering for me and, I suspect, you are again for numbers of collectors now.
Does anybody know whether Scott’s new Romans will be at the Chicago show or whether Scott himself will be present?
I will say;not him ,but some dealers will be importing then if ready to sale by show time.
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I sure hope they will be if they come out sept 3 then that gives them plenty of time I think to import them.
Beautiful! I’ve just been getting interested in filling out this period, myself.
I agree that set 60 RMN 01 – H is the most representative of Roman armies, but I love set 60 RMN 01 – A as the box-crest helmets remind me of the old Timpo Romans.
Will these be the same size as Ex-Force Greeks and Persians? And are those sets the same as their REALLY BIG WW2 figures? All the scale variations Ex-Force uses are pretty confusing. I know for sure these will be too big to use with Marx and Call to Arms traditional 54mm figures. Hope they are compatible with LOD, TSSD, Jecsan, etc.
JECSAN are 70 to 75 mm,Reamsa and MARX are 60 to 65 mm.
Lod are 62 to 67mm ,so are TSSD ,
measures from bottom feet to top eyes.
Hard to perfectly match yet LOD,TSSD,REAMSA NO NAME FROM RUSSIA ,WARHANSA , PUBLIUS ,Cherkiea ,Charben and CONTE are compatible pretty much w these and other EXF till now.
JECSAN fall in the following taller range close with ELASTOLIN ,NARDI CANE in my measures reviews.
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Beautiful figures !
Good breakdown of the various scales, Erwin. The new ExForce Romans are definitely 60mm.
As has been commented on by others, of course, sometimes simple similarity in height measurements between different brands doesn’t necessarily mean the figures are compatible with each other, because of different styles of sculpting and thickness of the respective bodies. The tall, skinny, Jecsan Romans are hardly compatible with any other figures at all. Likewise, the 70mm Auburn Marines, while excellently sculpted, are difficult to find a match for.
However, I can say the ExForce Persians, Greeks, and Macedonians are definitely in the 60mm range, and are a perfect match with Conte’s Spartans, as well as a near-perfect match with Atlantic’s 60mm Greeks, Trojans, and Romans.
Similarly, the ExForce medieval knights are a perfect match with the 60mm Marx Robin Hood knights, as well as the Barzso Robin Hood kinights. When you set them all up together you can hardly tell any of them are from different manufacturers.
But other than for collectors who are uninterested in anything which is 60mm, this whole ExForce line is as good as it gets in historiocity, quality of sculpting, quality of soft plastic, and sheer volume of sets being released in quick succession.
Permit me to mention one little curiosity of ordering sets directly from the Expeditionary Force website, which offers the lowest prices, as well as free shipping: In a short email exchange I had with Scott Lam awhile back, he mentioned that if a person orders 4 or more sets at one time, he mails them using a private expedited delivery service which also provides package tracking. If, on the other hand, an order is for less than 4 sets, he ships the order using regular postal delivery, which takes considerably longer, and doesn’t have a tracking capability.
To put this in perspective, I ordered a single set from ExForce (located in Singapore), and it took over a month to arrive. When I later placed an order for 4 sets, the package arrived within a week.
He uses very cheap shipping Asian HK and Chinese mail system Ordering direct from EXF is highly recommended ,special for large orders as he offer discount too on top shipping saving.
The old traditional scale 1/32 is been long gone off market ,only those in the hobby kits brands that jump from HO series to 1/32 the possibility once existed in brands such HAT,REVEL,ACCURATE,ACTA,WATERLOO,ESCI,Emhar,etc,now long dormant off production and only HAT announce x over a year now still a ridiculous one set in “Crowdfunding stage 9 =yet!!” that tell me will take one set if ever produced per every 2 years
AIP;a classic main toy soldier non kit maker did follow it in their most part ,CTS start as regular 54 mm to later jump to math CONTE more close 60 mm or later in later sets.
Most NON KITS hobby model line toys soldiers makers since CONTE went to 60 mm or taller AKA 1/30 scale aprox not 1/32.
The toy soldier hobby line production scale definitely had change dramatically since that not matter what as all those example showed.The demand and like in the new taller scale had been great and good as far new makers could tell,sale and keep making then .
EXF did not went down and keep same or close to their second series post ACW first sets .As i say before ,Scott wont go back as will mean a big shift reverse and stop sales x those that had bought from him before.
Even if he try list then as 54/58 mm ,they will be taller unless you cut entire base and headgear off .
But bulk body will be still bigger than old 54 mm still.
i’m very sorry x those staying-collecting only in the old 54 mm and expecting more in same will come as will be very hard and not happen any time sooner.But reality and true can not be ignored.Recast and conversion of older 54 mm may be an option on that case if don’t like other.
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Hi guys yeah these are really nice looking figures as usual from Ex-Force and they do bring out many figures in a short period. I’m not going to moan about the scale of modern figures because you know how i feel about it and i’m not a fan of the bigger figures these days. I made the decision a couple of years ago that i wouldn’t buy bigger 60mm+ figures anymore which is a shame. However on the plus side there are still some 50mm to 54mm that come out from time to time. Plus ive searched the internet for smaller 40mm figures that i could convert up to 1/32 scale and ive found quite alot, Especially Fantasy figures, So there are options out there for people that are not happy with the bigger scale figures that are most popular now. I’m glad Ex-Force is doing well and good on everyone who is buying there figures. I have brought some of the English Knights figures and they are a bit bigger than i would really like but they are lovely figures and i might consider buying more Ex-Force figures in the future?
I wouldn’t be too fast to write HaT off; it is true they slowed their production somewhat the past few years due to numerous factors. What many folks don’t realize is that for all its prodigious output, HaT is pretty much a one-man show. The crowd-funding and changes in production methods and various contractors are slowing the process of putting out the new sets – but they ARE being put out. First the crowdfunded 1/72 scale Prussians and Zulus sets. Right now NON-CROWDFUNDED sets such as the Napoleonic French have been released along with numerous re-issues of previously released sets in both 1/72 and 1/32 scale. This is something many of its competitors do not do.
The “kinks” are being worked out in the crowdfunding process and there will be more of them in the future for sets for which the demand may be doubtful. At the same time HaT has other sets in the queue which will be released in the “traditional” way.
I believe that as with AIP; rumors of HaT’s are greatly exaggerated.
As far as scale creep is concerned, I witnessed this in 1/72 scale, too. There were some lovely sets that really would have complimented my collection and armies that I just avoided because they were too dang big. Zvezda and Italeri were issuing sets that were approaching 28mm. I guess it saved me a lot of money.
That’s how I look at the current situation. As I grow older and my discretionary income for the hobby becomes a bit more precious I have to be more discerning in my spending. I really don’t have so much against the “new” 1/32 scale and have snagged about every plastic set TSSD, Conte, Paragon, and the rest have come out with. By the same token some of the so-called ‘obsolete” older sets from Marx and Accurate still stack up well alongside the more modern sets. We’ve debated this before, so I won’t go there. For me, I rarely buy 60mm – I have to draw the line somewhere.
The bottom line is each of us has to decide what we want and that moves the market. No one is really right and no one is really wrong in the choice we make. If the demand IS moving to larger scales to the point of being true 60mm or 1/30th scale… I guess I save some more money.
Hat did not slowed production few years back ,they stop making any 1/32 set since 2012 .
In HO i do not talk as not my interest neither most here as this blog is more about bigger scale not HO.
I agree in fact about even in HO scale are also disparate among then,nothing perfect and that is reason is best play around with space-distance and scale to blend match many makers if want improvise ,but if too strictly in scale will be way more hard and reduced in choices.
They try three 1/32 different””crowdfunded””Austrian Command , Napoleonic Austrian Infantry and Spanish Infantry sets since and none worked out.
The last Project #8 Crowdfunding( 7 years war Austrians infantry been in crowdfunding since over a year now ,still in stage 9 since may by now .Unless they start making then in limited run they wont profit from it to even start another and literal beg x money to collectors in order to produce another.
Even if come along it had take way too long to come by now .
Link mage page show some of abandon crowdfunding with their red line stages trail .
http://www.hat.com/current32.html.
Reissuing old sets is nothing new but just remaking and running a mold made ,not big deal .Any one could do it if have machinery wasting there as HAT does with few cost .
Making brand new prototype,mold and cast ,plus release new sets entire thousand batch plus all new packing is way far costly .An entire new risk .
I will not give they- Hat- off business but quite a respectful hat off as they did a lot for hobby and for that i respect and appreciate then .
Accurate. and most other had been one hand business as well ,not counting the workers and laborers- artist they contract as well HAT does too.
I just been realistic base in who makes more per year now and what scale sale far way more in new production x past 10 years now least per brand versus others.
Mars from Russia is the last only new standing making 54 mm figures now but more in the modern thematic now and not quite detailed as HAT or many others ,but rather simple and some time grotesque figures.
AIP .Stop producing officially in 2013=5 years by now .Some of their sets were in the more tall non 54 mm scale such modern soldiers and rangers/Indian wars natives.
Their(AIP) sales strategies selling in dollar stores /else is just a cleaning trial of their massive produced overstock .a sad reality of the poor profit this business give to those spending so much making producing in few years x hobby that do not support such volume of massive thousand figures per set unless you got money to waste.Yet i applaud and respect those making such effort.
Of course is choice and to every one his own .
Point been.Either hold and wait see or continue and try adapt with what is left made.
At the end is your like ,money and choice.
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I have thousands of toy soldiers in 54mm scale, and thousands in 60mm scale, along with a smaller number in 70mm scale.
I have quality figures in both scales, but prefer the larger 60mm scale, and I’m glad manufacturers have tended in that direction over the last 20 years.
There have been so many excellent sets released in each scale, however, that I feel, like Ervin, that I would be giving up a lot by
strictly limiting myself to just 54mm.
The Marx Toy Company over the years released excellent playsets in basically three different scales (45mm, 54mm, and 60mm), and they were all great.
Ron Barzso ran his resin figures in 54mm, but when he did injection molding (as in his Robin Hood & American Revolution sets) he moved to 60mm, which I thought was an improvement.
Conte also slowly but surely moved to 60mm, along with TSSD & Paragon, and CTS has adopted the 60mm scale with its outstanding Korean War figures. LOD’s outstanding War at Troy line maintains everything in 60mm. Expeditionary Force has released excellent sets in both scales.
Oftentimes when I do large battle set-ups on my 8-foot battle board I have enough figures from a specific historical period that a single scale takes up the whole area. Other times I mix scales simply by using different scales in different sections of the battle board, and it doesn’t detract from the visual array in the least.
The different scales in toy soldiers has existed and been a fact since I was a little boy collecting Marx, Timmee, Auburn, Lido, Ideal, Elastolin, and Britains. And when I liked something that I could persuade my parents to get for me, it didn’t deter me that something was larger or smaller than what I already had.
I feel the same today. I also think most collectors
do in fact have different sets in different scales within their collections, because a strict limitation of what scale they collect would deprive them of too many excellent figures offered by modern companies.
I’m not knocking larger scale figures, I have many 60mm figures in my collection – I just had to draw the line at anything larger than the so-called “new” 1/32 of Conte and TSSD and others. It was as much a financial decision as anything else; like I decided to limit my 1/72 collecting to 18th – 19th Century warfare. There was just too much out there for me to collect it all.
As far as HaT is concerned; I believe the fact they are doing re-issues of previously released sets indicates to me (and I think I’m on firm ground here) they are not totally through with the scale. The decision to re-issue these sets also came after demand returned . I believe they kind of glutted market with a prodigious effort of different types of Napoleonics many here in the States (a LARGE market) hadn’t been aware of. I spoke with a couple of dealers asking them about it and was told by more than one a lot of their customers didn’t care about Wurttemburgers or Bavarians. Face it, to many folks – the Napoleonic period is all about Waterloo.
But there has been a call for some of their sets to be re-issued – particularly the 7YW Prussians in MAC format.
Yes, they are re-issuing old sets, like AIP – that means they are still in the game that’s MY opinion. I would prefer them issuing new sets, particularly with some of the later AIP sets, but if they can tread water now issuing old stuff, how do we know they’re not trying to catch their breath so they can really start swimming again? I DO know that is HaT’s plan right now.
I know for a fact they are definitely going ahead with the 7YW Austrians. They are taking it slow trying to get it right. As I said previously, each crowdfunding project has been a learning experience. Some of you might remember the prototypes I shared of their Grenadiers and there were corrections that needed to be made. The last I heard the final tweaks have been made.
If you’ll look on the HaT website forum you’ll see where they are taking surveys of their customers as to whether there is a demand for more 1/32 sets and if so, which sets folks want to see. And of course there seem to be as many different sets requested as those who request them.
I can speak knowledgeably about HaT; this has been a process of fighting back after a tough spot that many of us in the hobby are well aware of. I think once they get past this we haven’t begun to see the projects in store in both 1/72 AND 1/32; there are even toes in the water to go 28mm.
But you have to crawl before you can walk and walk before you can run.
I am not saying companies like ExForce or EB or Plastic Platoon don’t do great work and aren’t taking the hobby into places we never dreamed. And I’m not knocking them. But I do believe there will be a place for companies like HaT, AIP, and even CTS (hoping they can get back to putting out new sets). Even if they didn’t come out with another new set again, I think there would be a place for them.
1. As much as I’d love to get every ExForce figure put out I can’t see being able to afford an entire Napoleonic Army filled with their figures. Just too expensive – if they’re not too large I wouldn’t mind having a set or two to put in with my other Nappies to give variety. But how many of us can really afford to put a couple hundred on a table. If you can, my hat’s off to you (no pun intended).
Companies like HaT, AIP, and even CTS give us the ability to put a lot of figures on the table without having to take out a second mortgage on our house.
2. I’m trying to get my grandsons interested in toy soldiers. Last Christmas I put together three (3) Alamos for each of my three sets of grandsons. That was a LOT of money (and time as I built each Alamo myself). I am so thankful for CTS and even some BMC Mexicans as I couldn’t even begin to imagine how much it would have cost me to outfit those sets with ExForce. And face it, ExForce and Plastic Platoon aren’t really for kids anyway, are they? How many honestly will say they’re going to pay ten bucks apiece for toy soldiers (and can we still call them toy soldiers or military miniatures or models?)?
One of my grandsons really loved his Alamo so I put together a Re-issue Marx ACW set for his birthday. There’s no way I could have made the set I made (I tried to recreate the old Marx Blue and Gray sets) if I only had ExForce, or even TSSD and Paragon. But I’ll tell you this, if he keeps his interest and takes care of his sets, who knows he might find a bag or two of more expensive soldiers in his stocking come Christmas.
We are always talking about the “death of the hobby.” It may be coming. But I’m not going to go down without at least trying to pass my love for the little guys and the history around them to my grandkids. The less expensive figures allow that.
I think there’s room for both models of doing business. JMO
You’re undoubtedly right, Wayne.
I can’t afford to create a whole Napoleonic army out of ExForce sets, but I thought the HAT Napoleonics were perfect for that. They were well-detailed, high-quality soft plastic, good positions to reflect how a Napoleonic army really maneuvered & fought, and covered a big array of many different units and armies.
And for your information, Wayne — I ended up not being able to attend the Chicago show this month due to some personal reasons. In discussing (by email) having my boxed Yorktown playset mailed to me, Ron Barzso informed me it would be shipped the week AFTER the Chicago show ends on September 23. I’m assuming that’s when yours will go out, too.
Like you, however, I’ve already received from Ken Ciak of LOD the supplemental bags of figures. The individual sculpts tend to fit the wild melees and assaults around Redoubt #10, just as I thought the same sculptor made both the Colonial Militia & British Grenadiers in the Battle of Lexington Playset reflect the typical positions of that battle, basically as depicted in the Walt Disney movie “Johnny Tremain”, which I think was historically accurate anyway in showing how Lexington, Concord, and the British retreat back to Boston unfolded.
I agree Wayne w many of your saying.that Napoleonic others armies are not of any interest most American collectors is a fact as they go most by movies and few done. Some Napoleonic are generic used x Mexican too
European are of course the main buyers . So once again a more limited thematic still in a shrinking hobby.
The low prize set are very non profit table in long run x makers.That is main reason most making low affordable sets either GONE or slow down considerable as this hobby is way down in buyers and deep pockets.
This hobby do not support at all more than three makers w 4 sets per years sales in quantities.
That is the main reason EXF saw and adjust increase prices after seen losses examples on other makers history.
Now as low budget only MARS from Russia with 54 mm line is available making new sets.
I wish HAT coukd do the long-awaited and taken last set.
Yet it do not give me any joy as I know will take x ever to do another unless they shift to short run limited produced sets.
I collect from 45 till 80 mm in all my scenes collection. I match brands w scales as they come and old
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Yes Napoleonics do not interest most collectors here in the states. They tend to stay with American History. The American Civil War is our main interested next to WWII.
Very well stated Wayne
Beautiful figures if these are the prototypes they look excellent
Thanks to all; Don that’s good info to know – now to decide whether to open it immediately or save until Christmas… I guess it all depends on how grown up I feel when it comes in.