Chintoys Conquistadors and Mixtecs / Zapotec Warriors Preview was aunnounced by Igor Bassevitch on Facebook. this was a surprise as people were figures on more American Civil War leaders.
Chintoys Conquistadors and Mixtecs / Zapotec Warriors Preview Conquistadors
The set is listed as number 8. Conquistadors has eight poses.
- Conquistador standing with rifle across his chest.
- Advancing with spear at waist
- Kneeling loading crossbow
- Conquistador standing with sword out in right hand
- Standing with halberd or spear pointing down in his right hand
- Standing firing rifle
- Conquistador with sword out and behind neck. Left hand has a shield.
- Advancing with mace and shield
Chintoys Conquistadors and Mixtecs / Zapotec Warriors Preview Warriors
The Mixtecs and Zapotec Warriors are listed CHT015. There are eight figures in the set.
- Warrior advancing with long club and round shield
- Kneeling with club on right shoulder
- Stepping back with long club and round shield
- Warrior with spear at waist
- Leader or preist with both hands raised
- Warrior advancing long club out in front with round shield
- Archer firing bow at waist level
- Warrior with raised standard in right hand club in left hand down
Chintoys Conquistadors and Mixtecs / Zapotec Warriors Preview Comments
Chintoys is always surprising us.They started doing Napoleonic leaders then they switch to Civil War. They now are doing invasion of Mexico. These new figures are welcome by collectors especially those who own Barzso’s Aztec set. The Mixtec and and Zapotec Warriors are surprise. You would expected Aztec instead we get other nations of Mexico. Neither one was an ally of the Aztecs. Still they are a welcome addition. Now we have to wait for a date.
Nice!! Only negative Spanish have 4 action poses and the other 4 gaurding Cortez??
Typical EB designed non action set like.good x one set.the action poses looks a bid odd too to me.So the clothing given more x European theater wars than hot tropical weather .
Cortez is dressing like in a painting visiting the King.
Aztecs are better.
My thoughts.
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sorry non aztecs but indians other minor kingdoms warriors…
They look brilliant will get two sets of each when they come out
That’s great to see although I already converted about one hundred American Indians into Aztecs when I had no such source! Anyway, they are nice figures but i hope they do some of the Aztec ‘knights’, especially the Jaguar Knights.
At last something different for a change, Ive been hoping for some New Americas Ancient figures to come out for years. As James said ive done my best in converting American Indians into Aztecs/Inca with some success, Some have come out better than others. There are not many actual Aztec figures around that I know of? And the ones that are like Barszo which are lovely figures but are very expensive, And Reamsa which are nice but a bit to big for my liking. These Chintoy Aztecs look great and i’m going to buy a couple of sets of them. A great addition to the Toy Soldier hobby and in some really good poses as well so i dont have to convert them all. The Conquistadors on the other hand i find quite boring. Are these figures 54mm, 60mm or 65mm? If they are 65mm i wont be getting any unfortunately.
Darren, your question about scale has been addressed several times on this forum. The figures are 54mm. And if you look at the photos above, the package itself says “scale 1/32”.
So skip the threats of “If they are 65mm I won’t be getting any…”, or “they are boring”. You obviously haven’t acquired any of their past sets either.
Ever since Chintoys started releasing figures, they have all been outstanding — sculpting, plastic quality, historical detail, price, and scale. If you are still dissatisfied, then nothing anyone could possibly release will ever make you happy.
Chintoys can then start keeping a list: “COLLECTORS WHOSE OPINIONS WE CAN SAFELY IGNORE BECAUSE NOTHING WE MAKE WILL EVER SATISFY THEM.”
Hi Don i usually agree with a lot of what you say here on Stads but as you can probably guess i disagree you on a couple of points. 1st a box with 1/32 on it doesn’t mean 54mm, It can mean 54mm up to 70mm. Now i know you and others dont mind how tall or big a figure is these days but I do, As i have stated before i collect 50mm to 60mm so that they go pretty well together. So i dont want giant 65mm to 70mm figures in my collection so i need to know how tall they are. No i have never brought a set of Chintoys figures before firstly because they are not in my era of collecting,. And secondly i do think most of the poses are boring anyway as i prefer action battle poses, But again if people love these Chintoys figures then buy them and i hope they do well. Lastly Don i’m sure your a good bloke but i’m entitled to my own opinion and if you or anyone doesn’t like it I dont really care. By the way if the Aztecs are indeed a true 1/32 scale, I will buy 2 sets of them as i love these Chintoy figures.
Darren as soon as they come we will get them and measure them.
Thanks Paul.
Great looking figures! I wonder what Spanish or Mexican collectors think of these?
Do you suppose Chintoys will make Spanish cavalry too? Mounted troops gave the Spanish a huge tactical advantage.
I understand them to be 54mm.
Great addition to our hobby. I hope that there is an expansion of this range. Mounted
figures & Aztec elite warriors would be wonderful subjects.
I totally agree Michael, More Aztecs would be great, And perhaps some Maya or Inca would be great as well, But these figures are really nice.
Superb figures, the conversion potential in both sets is endless, I just hope I live long enough to get them painted up!
Conquistadors do say ‘set 1’ : so I assume we’ll see at least one more set and a set of Aztecs too: fantastic, love em!
Hears hoping John?
I’m very happy with this. I own the Barzso playset and wanted more figures and now I can get them!
The armies that the Spanish defeated thee Aztecs with actually included, in most battles, more indigenous troops than Spaniards.
The difference between Aztecs and their rival’s apparel wasn’t huge so i suspect a lot of people, myself included, will use them as Aztecs anyway.
As for Incas I don’t know of any plastic manufacturers doing them , ever, so if they were done it would really be a first. As for other eras just how many ACW and WW2 are already available?
I have a heap of Reamsa painted up and keep these larger figures in the same units but they do dwarf other 1/32 figures. Some rough Aztec figures came out of mexico and i have painted a few of them.
As for wargaming, so far i used them in imaginary settings and world fighting my Medieval ‘Fezians’, similar to Turks mixed with ancient Persians. (See at my blog, Quantrill’s Toy Soldiers).
I don’t know if anyone here ever read the ‘Casca’ series. The hero (or perhaps, anti-hero) is the Roman soldier who, in an act of kindness, spears Jesus and is cursed with immortality to be an eternal warrior.
The series continued through several eras, including the Vietnam War. In one book Casca is with the Vikings fighting Aztecs and I think in another he returns with the Spaniards for more of the same. Naturally Casca gets mistaken for a god. I’m thinking one day to have a small army of Vikings fighting Aztecs! it is unlikely to have happened but what a great ‘alternative history’. That’s my idea of fun with toy soldiers but eventually I’ll also have a Spanish army to battle the Aztecs.
Is there any idea of price for these new figures?
James you mention ‘alternative history’ which seems a fun idea with toy soldiers. I came across an ‘alternative history’ book about Gettysburg and began reading through it. A strange mix of actual events and made – up ‘what if ‘ scenarios. In the end I tossed the book because as a historical reference it was worthless and it seemed so disrespectful of the actual soldiers on both sides who made the ultimate sacrifice in that struggle .
There is a wide range of alternative history. The idea is to what could of happenif certain things went a different way. The big author of alternative history is Harry Turtledove.
I red the turtledove books. ihave heard claims that the CSA could never have won the wr due to the superior resources of the north but the CSA didn’t have to conquer the remaining USA but to wear them down. Tere were draft riots in the North and if things had gone wrong at key points the US might have settled for peace.
The First Battle of Bull Run was a disaster for the Feds and could have gone worse if the Confederates had pursued the fleeing troops to Washington. What if the South had got to the Gettysburg battlefield first and got the ‘high ground’ or Lee had decided not to give battle until a more advantageous time? The most likely event to advantage the South was the Trent Affair which could have led to British (and perhaps french) intervention in the war. That would have had the same result as french and Spanish intervention in the War of independence – independence for a new nation.
I can’t see any disrespectful in exploring alternative history and we do explore it every time we ‘re-fight’ Waterloo anyway. Books about alternative history are only references if you want to follow the author’s concept or you can create your own timeline. it depends how close you want to be to the history. For example, you could look at what British troops were available at the time, in Canada and elsewhere and what paths of invasion of the USA might have been available. I play a mix of fantasy and history which is not always related directly to historical events. Other times I relate it to actual events.
In mexico three makers did Aztecs/indians and Spaniards.
One was a premium and sold in bags(54/56 mm semi flat.)
Others the one I import(AMEX) and sale that are perfect scale match with Reamsa in both indians and Spaniards and with Russian brand made conquistadors seen in this ebay sale link from me if pass the photos .
https://www.ebay.com/itm/222926819988
I still have few left of these sets.
A third are rare and sold in 60s only then after mold or maker stop making then ,so far i had seen in mexican blogs 8 poses of mix soldiers and indian,detail is not that great either.
Vintage other makers
In Spain three makers did Spaniards,mayans and Aztecs .
One Reamsa that had being reissued and still around easy .
Other PH =Pech Hermanos(This mold suffer damage and never redone after so only very early 1950s samples exist and very priced .Poses are super well done .
Third I forgot name but very obscure maker and only 4 poses each (60 mm ) and sold as PIPERO in waste mold in bags in 80s .
Another maker that produced figures for early conquistadors but with characters pretty much only in non action poses and true 54 mm plus few caribbean indian and was very limited done yet super rare interesting set of which Paul Stadinger is only in US having almost full set as far I know in . Set consist of 16 charter historical poses with few generic such slaves and indians.
It has been published twice in PW magazine .
The maker was a private person who start a business and supplied then to Souvenir and museum stores ,then stop short after.
As vintage from Italy TORGANO did a set of revised copies base of indian mix from other maker as mayans/aztecs !Very hard to find asa were early made in bakelite material and few survived intact plus not much produced.Poses are very well in action nice done in 54/56 mm approx.
There few premium single poses made in Europe that cover Spaniard conquistador and indian from the period as well.
Of course problem is trying fet then as from Europe and never produced in such quantities as main most known brands from US and UK .
In other actual maker or recast .
In the other hand the so call “Cherilea conquistador set” that were in fact english soldiers for the Scottish England war XVI century period made and from former Hilco mold if i’m not mistake had been reissued and are perfect 54 mm match with Barzso and these new Chintoy probably .They are very easy find around at shows ,ebay and internet dealers still from old 1990s overstock reissued produced.
Last but not least many Pirates could be use easy as Spaniards sailors or light armed troops cannon crew else for Spain’s army .
Contrary to most depicting Spanish heavy armor plated dressed most wore light clothing,chainmail a helmet and weapons with a shield if possible because the hot climate weather in central american and mexican lands made then remove those sooner than expected.
Most would be wearing the escuapil, a sort of padded leather or cloth armor adapted from the armor worn by Aztec warriors.This better historical accurate portray were both observed by Reamasa and much better yet by Barzso when making their set.
The main fire weapon or projectile weapon was the crossbow not the arcabuz that was extremely heavy(more than musket) and slower to load and fire plus very sensitive to damp humidity weather
According to chronicles every Arquebus man was followed by 5 to 8 crossbowman in regular formation force used during the conquest actions.Yet like the arquebus, the crossbow was a European weapon designed to defeat armored knights and too bulky and cumbersome to be of much use in the conquest against the lightly armored, quick natives. Some soldiers used crossbows, but they’re very slow to load, break or malfunction easily and their use was not terribly common, at least not after the initial phases of the conquest.
Because the spaniards/Portuguese armies often and in most battle ever pass 400-500 men total ,less that 70 of such weapons were in their rank at any battle generally .The arquebus initially give the scare thunder tactic effect ,once indian stop the fear it was just a cumbersome weapon yet of course used but in very limited numbers .
And yes they use a lot indian allies who hated the Aztecs and Mayans alike as were under their tyrannical power and Conquistador use then in great numbers to exploit their results better.
my thoughts.
Those are interesting points. The Osprey book on the Conquistadors shows them in both padded cotton and metal armor.
My guess is that they began in metal armor and later changed to cotton ‘armor’ but retaining some items, notably helmets. I wonder if they sometimes marched in lighter clothes and then donned their metal armor for battles. Possibly it would be carried either by pack animals or natives until required. As the Spaniards were comparatively few in number I can imagine the need to make themselves arrow and close combat weapon proof and to enhance their appearance as godlike.
However, again, I gained the impression that the natives arrows did not have fantastic penetrating power and could be stopped by padded cotton.
The the escuapil is name given from where the plant fiber extracted to make i come in Spanish chronicles of Conquest .
It has attributed as copy from same type used by Aztecs and mexican other minor kingdom they fought .But as early as 1400 the same type material armor was already being used by spaniards and may have originated in the Moors /arab wars of late period reconquista as well others in Europe.
So i think what they mean is that Aztecs used an alike material armor …
The best idea of it was it help refresh better the body verus hot steel armor ,plus give more mobility in long deep forest and hot weather environment
According to chronicles it protect very good against blunt impacts(Most indians weapon were made with carved rock sharp volcanic edge and bones that were very lethal such the “macuahuitl sword” ) and stones (slingers ) that indians used in mass as well all over america,included all mexico indians,Incas and caribbean indians.
Arrows from bow did penetrate then easy but did not have very long range and poor penetration at long ranges.Also many spaniards used a lot round steel shield in front formation to cover .
There is even more complain of slinger injuries death by account than arrows if read the chronicles.
Yet there is a type of arrow/short spear launcher described and even often seen in original indians painting found in temples else.The atlatl .I had not see it depicted much in figures .
You can red some interesting aztecs weapon data here.
http://www.mexicolore.co.uk/aztecs/kids/aztec-weapons.
On spaniards foot soldiers .All crossbows,arquebus man and most sword mans were not with heavy armor but with escuapil as torso protector.While pikeman ,halberd man used then as no shield to protect main part of body-torso.
Unfortunately I do not follow much osprey for evidence as often updated and the painting are done by modern artist base in some museum finds/reproductions or others post-era painting that some times were made by artist of the era that never witness the action.So i base my opinion and follow those of experts that read who witness of accounts and describe versus images better.
The Spanish conquest of the Aztec Empire chronicles that are a series or contemporary accounts written by many who were in the actions as soldiers or priest are better in accuracy of what they used in my opinion.
Many had been partially translated in to books around world.
An interesting film very well done in my opinion that recreate many never show before in movies weapons and way they(Mexican indians ) used is Apocalypto..
Of course you can use as you like and wish and is the best as you can make your own war scenes with your own ideas.
Those who are less accurate in history could have more fun by just doing simple way i bet too.
My thoughts and opinion only ..
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Erwin,
When you mentioned Cherilea Conquistadors are those the same as the 54mm recasts by the name of Monarch that came out in the 90’s?
Yes those are the one i mentioned ,i think the mold was original HILCO and Cherilea did acquired the molds later to produce under their brand name them.
They were never meant to be as Conquistadors but to be used as Scottish English war for which some scottish (never reissued) were done too.
But talking about Cherilea original; some of their Roundheads – Elizabethans set poses may be used as Conquistadors with minor conversion /painting.I did it to match the Reamsa and Amex conquistadors as scale matc well 60/65 m approx
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Erwin, good research details on the armor and weaponry. I have read that thick leather such as bull hide was also used as armor. The leather formed into armor components similar looking to the metal ones, but lighter in weight. So a figure appearing to have metal armor in place might actually be in leather armor.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057225/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_26
That’s a great film.
I remember watching that Kings Of The Sun film when i was a kid and made me realise what a great history and people there were in South America, Its just come onto Netflix recently and i’m going to watch again soon. I really hope Chintoys expands these sets so that there are more south american warriors to buy. As i thought and as Erwin has testified there are not many south american warriors that have ever been made, So this is a great addition to the hobby and i hope more are planned. Ive heard mention of a second set so that’s already something to look forward to.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0039243/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
Thanks Brian dont think ive seen that film, I will get round to seeing it when i can.
Darren .
I don’t know if you have Netflix there or other cheap stream movie system but this and Captain from Castile are easy find see in those way …
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0039243/
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Hi Erwin yes i do have Netflix and as i said recently there is the Kings Of The Sun movie just come on there a few days ago. I watched it years ago when i was a kid and it always stuck in my head and i’m going to watch it again soon. I love movies from all eras so thanks to you and Brian for telling me about this other film, I will watch it soon.
I also have that Appocalipto movie in my collection and that’s also a really good Aztec movie. I would have preferred it if it didn’t have subtitles but there wasn’t much talking in it anyway so it doesn’t detract from the film.
i hope the figures weapons won’t be as thin as portrayed on the box but otherwise no complaints interesting period in history rarely covered i think currently only chileria and barszo have done any conquistadors i always wanted a set like this as a kid so im tickled to death
Reamsa did a set of 8 foot conquistadors accompanied by 6 mounted conquistadors — all opposed by a set of 8 Aztecs, all on foot. They were reissued in the 90s and then introduced at OTSN by Company B. They are still available through ATS on the internet, and still fairly available at shows. Unfortunately for scale purists, they are a good 65mm in size.
Reamsa are 12 poses each set (Army)as typical Reamsa set .Those not reissued in their full set was because mold were not complete when recast .
Yes they are 65 mm ,only match with Amex brand conquistadors/aztecs I import.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/222926819988
No way you can blend then with Barzo unfortunately because scale and size are way too off in both brands.
I think Chintoy will blend better with Barzo and Cherilea(“Conquistadors”).But not all CHINTOY sets match in scale ,some are taller than others and body skinnier than others.
I noticed that in ACW mounted the horses looks a bit smaller next to figures unless these general were all 7′ high.
My thought.
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Thanks for the comprehensive information and I did not know of many of the figures you mention.
Another great addition from Chintoys.
These 16th century Spaniards are very useful indeed. They could be used to fight the Ottoman Turks at Malta, Lepanto and the first siege of Vienna. They could also fight the Tudor English in the Armada and Ireland(Kinsale) etc. Perhaps Chintoys will eventually make 16th cent. Ottoman Turks and Tudor English.
They look Badass ! nice sculpting !
Yes, that is something to keep in mind when we consider how 100% accurate they are for Mexico, given various campaign modifications. Many toy soldiers have multiple uses for various wars apart from their intended ones.
I tend to think along the lines of, did the Spaniards EVER wear metal breast plates and even arm and leg armor in Mexico and the answer is almost certainly yes. Did ACW Confederates EVER wear full regulation uniform or havelocks and the answer is yes. Did ACW volunteers ever wear various totally outlandish uniforms and the answer is YES even if mainly in the first year of the war.
I’ve ordered all the sets Chintoys has released, and they’ve all been highly satisfactory.
Someone asked about price. I’ve ordered all mine from Scott’s Model Shop in California (through the internet — ebay handle is “Rebel Alpha”), and every bag of 8 figures was $18.95. He doesn’t have these new figures yet (I’m not sure anyone does), but he always gets them in nearly as soon as they are released. His price of $18.95 per bag is as low as I’ve seen, since some dealers charge up to $27.95. Plus, Scott just charges “actual postage”, and is always v)ery quick to refund “over charges” for combined shipping (without the customer having to ask).
And as to scale, I may owe Darren Hadley a bit of an apology. I took a random Napoleonic General from a previous Chintoy set, and from bottom of feet to top of head (not counting base or hat), he measured 58mm. But I placed him next to the Marx Fort Apache Indian standing and getting ready to fire his bow (who measured a true 54mm) and the Chintoy and Marx figure looked very compatible for integrating with each other in diorama set-ups — including in body fulness/mass — which were very similar.
Pardon me —- “Hatley”, not “Hadley”.
Scott may have the it by end month he told me …
He may also have new coming EB sets new release soon
As he carry EB that is the set/mold maker x Chintoy .
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Hi Don thanks for that. We all have our ideas and opinions and I know scale has been mentioned much before, But i’m going to give my take on scale and then i promise i wont keep banging on about it. When i was a kid collecting figures in the 70s and 80s in England 95% of all the figures i ever collected were from 50mm to 60mm with just a few under 50mm and over 60mm. So that’s all i knew until the internet came along and i realised that there were all these Great figures from many countrys that i never knew existed. Now even then it seemed to me that more or less all figures made over the last 60 years or so were mostly between 50mm and 60mm, The only figures that come to mind that were unfortunately to big in my opinion were Elastolin which were 65mm to 70mm and Jecsan figures which a lot of them were 65mm. I really liked many of these the figures done by these 2 companys but i never brought any because i thought they were to big. Now to modern times, Its great to see many new figures coming out over the last few years and some of them are still in the 54mm to 60mm bracket that i like, But it seems alot of the modern figures are about 65mm which in my and others opinion is a big mistake, I realise some collectors dont mind the bigger figures and even split there figures into 2 different scale sizes which is a good idea. However for fussy purists like me I find the bigger sizes bloody annoying and they just dont go with 50mm and even 54mm figures, I’m not the only one who feels this way i can assure you, And my message to any companys out there listening is make your figures 54mm to 60mm or you will lose a large piece of the market out there because fussy blokes like me are not going to buy large 65mm to 70mm figures. So there ive said my piece and now you know exactly how i feel on the subject, My honest opinion. I know you might not agree with me Don but trust me i’m not the only one who feels this way.
Generally i want figures to put in wargame units. If I mix 54 and 60mm figures they can look okay, especially with medieval armies where weapons are not standardised. it can look a bit out of place with more modern troops with different sized rifles.
When it comes to 65mm the odd figure in a unit might look like an exceptionally big man and they have existed. generally, though, i would avoid getting a lot of such figures.
I do make some exceptions. I painted a lot of Reamsa Aztecs because they were my main source of Aztecs. My friend Steve has a lot of 65 mm in his armies and tends to place such units facing each other and his smaller scale facing each other too. The smaller 54 mm look like little boys when placed next to 65mm.
If someone collects to place some nice figures on a shelf rther than play with them this might be less of an issue. Anyway we have established that the new figures are 54mm which is what i prefer except that they will now look small next to my 65mm Aztecs!
I totally agree James and you make some good points, Some years ago i brought some Reamsa Aztecs and was going to get many more as i think they are lovely looking figures in great poses but when i received them i thought they were just to big and i never got anymore but if as you say these Chintoys are 54mm that’s great and i will definately get some, I just hope Chintoys expands this range of south american warriors so that we can gather a small army of them.
I have massive ACW and medieval armies but I like to see something new. I especially don’t need more ACW. There is so much WW2 around that I don’t get excited when I see new stuff there either.
As a child I was fascinated by how Cortes defeated much larger armies with a couple of hundred men. And here you have contrast between very different societies and armies. So I am delighted with this new enterprise from Chintoys. I just wish one of the cheaper companies like Hat or Armies in Plastic also did them. Building armies entirely out of Chintoys would not be an economical process.
Too bad the Revel HO sets of Conquistadors and Aztecs had never been brought back to 1/32 scale .Revell start making some sets in 1/35 along with former Accurate recast sets ,the only they did cover few WW2 and Modern and were base in their nice pose sets HO made before .
Unfortunately as most that venture in 1/32 long run production such Accurate,HAT,ITALERI ,EMHART, WATERLOO to mention few in the model line hobby producer they stop right away .
Mars HO or Red box russian makers i think did aztecs and conquistadors ,maybe they can come with a cheap line of then.
Me myself being direct descendant of Spaniards by mother and partial Father line and born in one of first ever land the conquest by then i love this era warfare that last from early 1500 till mid 1600 and were many wars in central,mexico ,caribbean and south america.
Fortunately i had build a pretty much descent armies for Spainrad with brand above mention in vintage but the scale got a bit complicated with Barzso and Cherilea ,while most indian are 60/65 mm in my collection.Yet not even close to recreate the huge large battles that occurred even in reduce scale scenes.
Few films cover this war ,one particula american film that i was surprise was very pro conquistadors .(Captain from Castile) as typical of eran most film portraying Spaniards as bad guys and even base in a novel that in fact was written biased against Spaniards in most part (no taking sides personally just my opinion I know they committed atrocities,such did as well the Aztecs previews to then and during as well most other european did same thing against natives .
So please i hope this personal comment of a film do not take this out contest by any one here .
Back to sets ,i personally will get two indians one spanish as i will not cut convert 5 poses to action and with Barzso ,Reamsa ,Amex ,pipero cherilea ,others i got enough x now .
Mounted spaniards(The Castilian cavalry) are the most heavy armed- armor soldiers and many from nobles families ,here is where i’m low in poses .At the beginning they were most heavy armed but later many no real soldier were enlisted as cavalryman and used as light cavalry .
The horse and mounted soldiers with long spears and famous toledo swords were far more lethal for the indian in first 50 years of conquest period .
Contrary to many though the most part of Spanish armies in early conquest were not from spain regular army but many were mercenaries,simple sailors with non previews militia regular army experience and some even ex convict given the chance to make a new life in new world.
In the Cortez diaries and other old era manuscript it is mentioned how that were trained actually few weeks before or during the same camping to learn the basic closed formation of battles.
Hernan Cortez (often biased represented by many english writers) as a villain and or almost a pirate and not much different from most his era in Europe but more interesting is the fact he did not have any military experience at all and AZTEC empire conquest was his first camping .
Thank you.
my thoughts
I like to see any new set come out but as you say James its nice to see something different, I’m mainly into Ancient, Medieval and Fantasy figures. Now there are loads of European Knights, Romans, Greeks, Vikings and Crusaders to get which is Great, But i would love to see more South American Ancients done like these Chintoys, Plus i would love to see at least some Ancient Egyptians, Arabs, Israellites, Chinese, Mongols, Britains and others for a change, In Fantasy there are some figures out there but not that many which is why i look around the internet for any figures that i can convert to swell my armies. In these i would love to see some Lizardmen, Goblins, Mermen, Orcs done. It would be Fantastic if some of the figures done in 1/72 scale were done also in a true 1/32 scale, That would be Great. We will just have to build small armies.
A lot of horrible things were done in the name of religion. The catholic Spaniards burnt people t the stake but so too did the protestants. The Aztecs sacrificed a huge number of people, including their own people, each year, A medium calculation is 40,000 a year. A lot of children were among those people. if hey were sacrificed to the rain god they were pricked with thorns etc to get them to cry as the rain god would like that (like rain).
Personally, I think Mexico should have been called Cortesia as Cortes is the real founder of Modern mexico.
Apocalypto was about the Maya. Mal Gibson copped flack for depicting the maya as like the Aztecs in doing bloodthirsty sacrifice and the ending of the film suggests the potential victims of that were saved by the arrival of the Spanish ships.
From what I’ve read the Maya were quite fond of human sacrifice too; it wasn’t confined to Aztecs.
As for the points about references and practicality in hot climates you are most likely right although there are always exceptions. I suspect that the Spaniards might have retained their armor more in war against the Incas as the climate was often cooler.
The Crusaders seem to have retained their armor in the Middle East, albeit covered by white tunics.
The fun thing to include in a wargame would be to have dice throwing to determine when or if the native forces respond, given the fear of the men (or gods) riding giant ‘stags’. Also there could be rules for attempting to capture rather than kill Spaniards to use them as sacrifices.
Yes apocalypto was bloosel base in Mayas but their weapons are more Aztecs in depiction.So many of dressing too .Most larger kingdom in pre columbian practice massive sacrifice base in research,excavation and painting.
The wars against Mayans small kingdoms tribes continued far longer in to even early XVII century Another animal other than of course horse that had a big impact in first battles used by spaniards were dogs,Spatially in caribbean and against other tribes were used a lot.In mexico were use more as guard prevent against ambush and indians were annoying they get easy detected by then from distance with their barking all time …Unfortunately I don’t do war gaming but your idea sound fun and interesting plus the use of captured enemies was practiced .
I think is a lot to cut to recreate many cation wars battles with figures .
Some medieval late period are good x conquistados with very minos conversion .
The 60 mm Jean Hoefler Crossbow man and one with spear and not helmet to blend with reamsa /amex brands .
It can be found easy cheap in HK cloned Blue Box brand 52 mm version to match 54 mm scale figures as well.
I myself have plenty of then …
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I think the 2 French Crossbowman from the Italeri 1/32 Hundred Years War set could be used for Conquistadors.
I am finding very interesting how people are excited by these new figures.
That’s a good point about medievals. I have converted some to some of the more heavily armored mounted English Civil War so I could also do it for this period. There are also Call to Arms English Civil War that are fairly close to the appearance of the Spaniards, although the latter didn’t, as far as I know, used masses of pikemen in the Americas.
No they used hallabards but could be changed easy i guess.
The long pikes were very cumbersome to carry around the inhospital region during conquest and in use more from mid late XVI century and after when most conquest was done . Yes I agree A call to arms (round heads) could be used as well Jean Hoefler two poes i mentioned before and some others around .Cherilea elizabethan ,monarchs too .
I use the some of skin 60mm Marx poses as indians too ,especially the ones without pants and knife,the one with axe ,the mounted with mace and one with “flail” or “sling” and bow running.
I had used several KO-HO indians with shield too that are very alike for mexico ,central and inca empire style warriors.
One of periods EXF will do is renaissance ,it will give more poses for Spanirads.
But again it is in indians were the problem of lack amount poses is as they were always in large forces versus conquistadors.
We need more from another maker or else.
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While most mexican and central american culture had been done in warriors figures such these ,aztecs and Mayan in only few vintage brands and new .Incas that differ a lot in dressing and culture and were another interesting empire had not being done at all and should as Pizarro conquest of Part Inca empire is very interesting history too to be done in nice scenes with toy soldiers i think .
The Inca empire was far larger and greater complicated than Aztecs and Mayan all combined with great differences as well an huge irrigation/agriculture system far advance that those in Europe
Mexico toy figures producers least cover with three original designer brands their indians and aztecs warrior ,but from Peru/Bolivia and confirmed by me after long research with peruvian collectors had none cover it in plastic and barrely in few odd ceramic/composition figures in 1940s only .
Another great kingdom the Mapuche from Andes could be done as they were only partially unconquered indians and actually defeat spanish in several acitin/battles .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arauco_War
May be chintoy will cover it as they advance in the conquest thematic of new world.
my thoughts.
Now you guys have done it, now I have the Procol Harem song in my head and I can’t get it out.
These are really great figures. Hopefully set 2 of the Conquistadors will be a little more lively, and here’s hoping for some Aztecs, including Jaguar, Coyote and Eagle warriors.
I normally don’t go for the more expensive sets, but I will make an exception for these. (Seller Rebelalpha on eBay is the affordable place to go for Chintoys)
My only regret is that I won’t be able to afford a huge horde of Aztecs like I would if these were going for AIP level prices. I’ll just have to reserve my mass actions for 1/72. I have about 8 boxes of Revell Aztecs and one each of Revell and Caesar Conquistadors.
Mark I agree with you.
Yes Scott is owner of the ebay site store you mention and i was one who introduced him here for every body regarding Chintoy sets since first set as he told me he will carry then.He does carry chintoy and EB plus Mars more cheaper that any in the world.He own a large store hobby model related for over 20 years and will stock these sets son he told me other day .He has direct first hand contact with makers and receive shipments very quickly too as he buys in larger quantities combined than any toy soldier dealer.He alo base his price in make small profit out per set and more in overall prices to move sets fast and do fas revenues.A different mentality over many others.I like his way as he can afford it and very smart plus give buyers much better prices.
He often ask me for best sets to get and bring x sale here too .
Regarding prices …
I don’t think that at this level detail you will find any producer making figures in set at AIP cheap retail price .The more we continue we will have the less makers in long run as CHINTOY and EXF that are selling their prices set at high price (EXF=9 figures =$30.00=$3.33 Per figure approx ).
If makers such HAT restart they may go low ,but i doubt they will cover this era any time soon .
So for now i think we may need wait and see x long.
In my like as i say i can have easy two three cases of indians on these and one of conquistadors as the non action poses have very narrow space for easy conversion unless you cut a lot …and i don’t have much time x it plus Conquistador with what i have and around is easy build an army of typical small size as they used in reality .
May be Barzso new owners else produce then (indians and conquistadors ) in new plastic using same molds or else too to increase armies.
my thoughts.May be Ed Borris could do some inputs here to former Barso else .but who knows is just a suggestion ,nothing more ..
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Ive been wanting those Barszo Aztecs for years but i haven’t seen many for sale and when i do now and then they are very expensive, Too much for me i’m afraid. Yes i agree Erwin if they could be redone at a sensible price i would certainly a couple of sets. There seems to be quite an appetite for these sort of figures so i hope more are done by Chintoys and maybe other companys?
Chintoys both sets had been on sale from our local US main dealers with best prices in Russian products since last week .In case any one interested get then now .
here is one direct sale link from his ebay store..
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Chintoys-1-32-MIXTECS-and-ZAPOTECS-AZTECS-WARRIORS-Figure-Set/362346567247?var=null
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