Overview Atlantic Toy Figures Part Two, in our last look at Atlantic we looked at their western figures. In part two we do a short look at their ancient figures and then their military.
Overview Atlantic Toy Figures Part Two Ancient World
Atlantic released their ancient figures in 1976. There are three different groups. They are Greeks, Romans and Egyptians. The detail on the figures is excellent. Atlantic did not just military figures in this line they did civilans. In the Greek group they did Greek Life. In the Egyptian group the Egyptian Court. The Roman line had the Gladiators and Christains.
Here we have one of the lions from the set Gladiators and Christains. I like the detail on the animal.
Atlantic did several sets in 1/72 scale that they did not try to copy into the 1/32 scale. They would have been too large and too expensive. The largest of the 1/72 scale set was the Colosseum. They also did a Sphinx and Nile Boat.
Overview Atlantic Toy Figures Part Two Military
Atlantic did two eras of military figures modern and World War II. The modern era was Italian soldiers in various branches of the military. These were first produced in 1971. The scuplting on these figures was not bad, but many collectors do not like them.
In 1976 Atlantic did World War Two figures. They did figures from both Euopean and Pacific Operations. Surprisingly they did not do World War II Italian troops. The quality of scuplting is a mix of good and bad. The medical group I like as it fills in a spot on your battle field. Another great set is their Afrika Corp. Problem with them they gave them different hats to wear and they were easy to lose.
Another great set is the Indian Army. These figures could be used in both Pacific and European campaigns.
With both periods of history Atlantic did vehicles to go with the sets. My favorite is ambulance.
Part Three we will look at the Great Revolution Sets and some figures not released in the United States.
Like i say before I personally love all figures from atlantic as i look then with old toy mentality and new alike .Serving both purpose for me in all ranges .
Some of The German WW2-armor/artillery had box pack early in a very odd Nazi type logo box colored packing and exported sold in Austria,France ,spain and Italy according to several collectors.
Samples of these cases are still around using the red ,white and black color box with circle in middle depicting figure sets inside it with actual german WW2 army black cross decal on it.Note de depiction of german regular soldiers in Waffen SS uniform colors- with SS emblem in helmet as well.The decals in helmets appear to be close to Prinz Eugen 7 SS division.
The depiction of these cases was a very dare and controversial as try back in the years Still interesting an Italian company dare and did it in purpose as a matter of true historical accuracy only in my opinion.
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link of sample at ebay.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ATLANTIC-FLACKVIERLING-8-MITRAGLIERA-CON-SOLDATI-SCALA-1-32-RARO-63-854010/332377477984?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649
There would be no difference in helmet decal. The standard runes would be used. The Odal Rune for the 7th was on the Kragenspiegel. If you have a pic of a helmet with an Odal Rune being used, lemme see it.
I just looked at the Ebay pics. Looks like standard Heer decals on the helmet; bent wing eagle on left, tri-color shield on right, which was discontinued in 1940. Nice artwork on the box.
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It was used in guard depot/parade or honour graduation guard of every unit-per company -division assigned and in combat as suitable if not cover ,go to my facebook link “ONLY German WWII Items Sale” Binternation blog ,there plenty x sale either old ,replicas and photos .
I don’t do face book. I’d love to see a helmet in use with the Odalrune.
These sets were a mixed bag of good and bad. The Germans were decent, but with huge weapons, I still like them, though. The Brits had some odd ball poses and also big weapons, but if you can get them in a decent color, they look good, too. The Japanese have ties on. The NLF had that as part of their uniform for a time, but that’s just marginal notes. I like those guys, too. The US Marines are decent sculpts and useful. The Bersaglieri, Alpini, Navy, Paracardudisti, Airforce and Commandos are kind of big and cartoonish. Some of the weapons are just complete fiction and huge. I ended up keeping none of them. I have some regrets as I am more tolerant of inaccuracies these days and let my imagination fill in mistakes. The prices these guys get now prevent me from considering getting any back again. I just don’t want them that bad. All the gunners and med group guys I kept because they were more 54mm and generic enough to just be WWII Italians. Some even have the Beretta m-1938 SMG and the HMG in the Mortars, Machine Guns and whatever set (Can’t recall) is the WWII Fiat-Revelli HMG. They got painted grey and filled out my Airfix and CTS Italians with crew served weapons. A match made in Fascist heaven! Avanti!
I love the Sikhs! I got rid of the inaccurate Kukris and Scimitars and sometimes gave them grenades. The one waving low and other arm raised for a sword I made the LMG man. I got a bunch of the separate Bren guns for the brits and had it slung on his body, low arm cradling it, high arm with grenade.
I like the Sikhs as they are.
I used as that.Beside in WW2 allied commando school or were train and give Gurkis .
So they can pass.
Not much issue x me.
I do same w AK great hand to hand fighting set.
After all many Airfix , Britain and Marx had wrong weapons in many as well.
So I personally let be as were toy made minus the so call airfix models.Not that quite well done in accuracy.
Co ma 4 sets can have good use x italians as well the new DGN Chinese made sets.
Nardi italians are good too but taller only match w Starlux Italians.
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The kukri is a Gurkha weapon. The Commandos were taught to use the small, concealable and very efficient Sykes-Fairbairn dagger. At any rate, neither of these were general issue (except the Kukris to Gurkha units). The swords would have been ceremonial, not in combat. It’s not hard to ‘not use’ the edged weapons for these guys. I leave them out as they are fighting as a Brit commonwealth unit.
The problem with some of the figures in the Atlantic modern military range was that their weapons looked like science fiction weapons. Look at the gun the commando has in the first picture. It looks like something the stormtroopers would use in Star Wars.
As the other guys have said, the Sikhs and the Afrika Korps were excellent. The WW2 range was also much more size-compatible with Airfix, Marx and Matchbox. Some of the other Atlantic ranges were more like 60 or 65mm.
Atlantic were made as toy primarely and dedicated to children mainly.Yet were in many cases more accurate than most old maker.like ancients and the WW 2 german w right weapons versus Airfix WW 2 germans w wrong LSMG.
They did nice ideas like japanese w branch camuflage and so on.
They used several artist and the scale varied as most makers did too making sets in range from 30 mm to up to 12 inces like Marx.
Atlantic so call 1:32 range from 54 mm to 65 mm .Still Airfix 1:32 range from 52 mm to 58 mm in entire sets even they call it toy soldier models.So accuracy had never been firm in scale unfortunately.
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I just found a site with a nice collection of photos of painted Atlantic figures. All ranges are covered.
https://viaggionellatlantic.wordpress.com/i-giocattoli-atlantic-a-colori/
No Biggy but they’re not Sikhs,wrong style Turban,more likely Rajputs,Dogras,Garhwalis or one of the other “Martial Races”.
They are Indias army . ….
They change the turban to they enemy….;-):-):-)
I mean confuse enemy:-):-):-)
I could never keep up with that turban biz. I just figured Sikhs since they were the ones who could not remove the turban for their strict religious beliefs. As far as I know, the other Indian units generally wore helmets in combat where the Sikhs would not.
I love the Atlantic Western stuff. Always have.
Here’s one for you WW 2 guys. I have a dozen or so sets of Alpine Troops on skis and riding snowmobiles. There’s even a small mountain top. Anyway, could they be Italians? There are Alps mountains in Italy. Or are they Germans? I think there are two different sets here, all mixed together. There are no boxes with these. Just loose troops, so it’s hard to tell what’s what.
Italian WW2 alpine.
They have some ww2 weapons.
So are the type suits.
Italian army has the oldest traditional alpine corp w Austrian.
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The Atlantic Alpini are OK for WWII. Not the snowmobile, but the sled, the mule and mountain gun and the soldiers. The rifles are indistinct enough to be Carcano bolt actions, if I remember correctly. I got rid of mine years ago. The man climbing that has the separate HMG on his back is hauling the Fiat-Revelli WWII era gun. He’s doing what a lot of badly posed Atlantic guys do. Carry an MG, but fire a pistol and from a seriously awkward pose, too. Good WWII Italian mtn troops are lacking in the 54mm toy range.
The German mountain Troops (Gebirgsjaeger) look very different. you would recognize them as German immediately because the hat (which was in use long before the famous german patrol cap) looks like the M-43 field hat. Airfix made an interesting set of these guys.
Airfix set has a lot poses but few in action,still many of the action in Alpine is actually climbing i guess.So quite interesting.
No one had done Soviet Alpine 1943-1945 mountain troopers,they had different hats and gear as well-Not to be confused with winter gear copied-based from 1939 winter Finish type .May be EB will do them one day .Some of CTS koreans/chinese could be adopted x them if like .
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Yes, big part of the alp mountains is part of Italy of course. Think Italian Alpini troops took a big part in the WWII fighting at the Balcans and in Greece. Plus some fighting in the alps at French/Italian border in 1940 with French chasseur alpins.
Anyway the most brutal battles had been the ones in WWI between Austria and Italy for years.
I can recall a documentary on this from the beginning of the 2000s here on TV.
They had two over 100 years old veterans from the fighting. An ex Italian soldier who was already blind but told in clear words the story how he was taken POW. The Austrian looked like he was still climbing on the mountain tops and think he told that he joined Austrian Alpine Troops being age of 16 in 1915 and fought up to the last day of war.
Somehow touching interviews and sadly it was announced that both veterans passed away shortly after.
Anyway I think Austrian WW I troops are still a gap to be filled by all makers.
I agree Austrian had been ignored complete by most makers.
Even AIP ignore my pledge to do many times and their uniform minus late German helmets varied from Germans and others.
Austrians in WW One play and main role.
Napoleonic only Italeri and Hat had bareli cover it when Austrians fought more battles agaist Napoleon than any nation included some of the largest along and also as coalition w others.Ialians WW1 and 2 by italian vintage makers had been done buy many sets are not quite realistic action poses.
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The Austrian-Hungarian forces were a mixed ethnicity force with a wide range of uniforms. The helmets, at first issued sparingly were made in Germany. The Krupp Berndorfer had 3 variants and were issued largely to troops who were ethnically Germans (Austrians as opposed to the various Slavic ethnicities and the Hungarians). After that, they bought into the Eisenhuttenwerke firm’s more recognizable classic German helmet, with some modification. The Austrian M-17 looks a lot like the German M-16 and M-18 until you look at details. I sold off my Berndorfer years ago, but I have all the others if anybody wants to see pics of the differences. If I did do WWI, I would content myself to have German in Stahlhelme in ‘earth brown’.
Yes, Tony of AIP announced, but for some reason never produced, his WWI Austrians, with their distinctive headgear.
He told me a couple of times he had completed the “masters” for the figures, and I reminded him of my interest in them on several occasions over the years as a necessary component of his extensive line of WWI figures.
But it seemed Tony always had a host of other releases that he assigned a higher priority to.
As for Atlantic, we can only wish the molds for all the 1/32 Ancients and Western stuff would somehow miraculously turn up. I went to OTSN and Indiana shows for two years running, and had difficulty finding any being offered. There were a few offerings on Ebay, but prices (including Delson’s) had become too extravagant. I finally hit the jackpot by acquiring a huge selection of 1/32 (65mm?) Greeks, Trojans, and Egyptians from Bill Nevins at an eminently reasonable price.
But with Conte’s outstanding Spartans, and LOD’s brilliant new Trojan War series, along with the truly great Expeditionary Force Greeks, more of the 1/32 Atlantic Greeks and Trojans would really come in handy. The scales of Conte, LOD, Expeditionary Force and Atlantic are all completely compatible with each other.
The master he shows me where the JK molds not quite his line and very much detailed
He often mentioned would be not interest do italian ,rumania,turks austrian or any balkans conflicts army Neither would he venture in the Middle-Eastern theatre.
Yet he cover the Russian least in summer generic pre WW1 uniform x Boxer and WW1 as well japanese that barely took direct action in WW1 on allied side but only at costly Siege of Tsingtao .
At then end he produce the most and cheap line in most sets and what was best x sale quick according to him .
Pretty much he did much better than most actual makers in long production making much more ,cheap and diverse sets than any in our Hobby since 70s .Yet is never enough as not winter army or gas mask SET was ever cover ,neither artillery or heavy machine gun section sets x WW1 only done partially by Emhart in the 1.35 scale .
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I begged Tony to add WWI German machine gun units as well as WWI artillery units to his line-up, in order to offer a comprehensive WWI line.
But like you said, his mind was always racing ahead to what he viewed as quicker/better sellers.
Tony liked to solicit opinions from a wide variety of sources, so he was always getting a big diverse group of opinions on what should come next.
I had an interesting experience many years ago at Pw show when it was still at Queen Charlotte Hall. toward the end of the show I found sitting Atalantic mounted Indians all the same pose. I ask the price which I liked and he asked me how many did I want I replied I will take them all. He was in shock. Now Atlantic is in short supply or over priced.
AIP WWI is great stuff, but it does need MG teams for all nations. This was the war that made the MG indispensable. I’d always thought that they would turn out an MG team for each. It just never happened, though.
I do not consider Atlantic over priced considering are vintage out production for over 30 years .Many CONTE and Barzso are getting way more inflated .You can get most Atlantic minus few rare sets x great price still at ebay international or even TSC selling their never end large overstock sets .
Paying from 1 to 2.5 0 per vintage figure in many cases i see every day are not overpriced .It depend seller and set ,but most modern sets and ancient goes as that.
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An Italian Alpine Div was horribly misused in the ’42 offensive in the soviet Union. They were sent East and crushed near Stalingrad when the flanks folded the second time. They should have been sent South with the German mountain troops to partake in clearing the Caucasus mtns. They fought surprisingly well considering the terrain and the equipment they had available. The elite Italian units did generally do well, but are overshadowed by the myriad of ‘bargain basement’ units thrown on the field with poor leadership, primitive logistics and not-the-best choice of weaponry.
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They were poor logistic and poor leadered since 1930 before joining the AXIS ,they were always a problem more than allied to Germans ,often considered like an Ulcer by most German officer.
Some units fought well and hard in some battles like in Africa and Balkans as well few others considering the poor armor ,artillery and weapons they had .
They were saved of complete debacle in Africa by run/prompt Romel small force sent to help.Giving them a bolster moral.
Same way they were giving moral /army help in Greece.
The lack of main Italy command unity control with king ,republic and Dictator all pulling to all side/direction often add to many discords in high command staff and delay of supplied or cooperation among navy ,air force and army .
There so much to talk that we could go off topic here i guess.
The fact Italy surrender in sep 1943 and only northern socialist republic stay as buffer country support by Germans may had prompt many makers in toy figures to cover then so few times .
Interesting since surrendering many Italian division give weapons and supplied by allied and fought alongside battles against Germans as well in 1944-45 last month with over 50 000 casualties.
For me I had enough with Dulcop ,Cane (more WW1 but could be used as WW2);STARLUX,CTS,Atlantic,CO MA,DGN ,NARDI ,Airfix,WATERLOO 4 beautiful sets figures sets to cover the Italian WW2 army .I do not think more need be required-done with exception of overall all armies winter sets .
Above all sets comprise not less 80 poses ,that is quite a lot considering an army that fought in not all conflict and till 1943
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I discount the Dulcop, Cane and Nardi guys as they are clearly WWI. I just can’t get over that. Too different. The Airfix and CTS guys work well as WWI regular infantry. The DGN guys make decent Bersaglieri (their version of Mech Infantry at the time) the Waterloo 1815 guys are some great Paras and the desert infantry guys are OK, although they couldn’t decide what they wanted them to be. I got rid of the plumage on the one guy and that made the odd collection of headgear fit into the framework of an MVSN Bn. So, it’s all covered fairly well IF you can get a hold of them. This leaves out WWII Alpini, though. Even if I could accept the WWI uniform, the poses bite and the Atlantic, Cane and Nardi guys are rather big and cartoonish. The Dulcop guys (only 2 poses are Alpini) are in flat, awkward poses. It was enough for me to just move them on. When I ‘need’ Alpini for a given scenario these days, I just use the Infantry guys and utilize a lot of imagination.
Greg what NARDI italians you say have WW1 uniforms???
They have if any case, post mix- WW2 uniforms and most have ww2 weapons included the Beretta M38/44,Beretta pistol ,Carcanbo rifle,Fucile Armaguerra Mod. 39, FM 24/29 light machine gun, WW2 italian flamethrower M35-41 and grenade OTO M42 in All original poses.
They carry the WW2 bersaglieri and alpini hat as well not WW1 models .
It is the shirt inside what looks a bit odd still acceptable in my view .Total of 18 poses original and to create more of torso if like.
Made in two series with small variation poses and several colors.
The only problem would be for you as i know you don not go high scale is their size only close to Starlux and CANE and or if in any case are partial swoopet as torso and head can be swap
The Nardi WW2 Germans by uniforms could well be used as Italian infantry and were made sold in grey as that too .
The 5-7 mm bases could be removed and put on flat bases reducing size scale as well.
In my like CANE Besaglieri have better poses even with WW1 uniforms than ALPINI set or Dulcop pose mix set.Again in the 60/65 mm range of course.
NARDI are not easy to find and buy at all,took me years to get full sets poses as well their american infantry/marines version.
Another in 58/60 mm not swoppet italian brand CROMOPLASTO/XILOPLASTO did a range of army sets.Most post WW2 but some alpini sets poses are well perfect x WW2 as well.
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I made a unit of WW1 Austrians for wargaming from a mix of airfix mountain troops, DAK and AIP WW1 Germans in stalhelm, they work fine if you’re not a stickler for detail. Also DeAgostini make a superb WW1 German machine gun team if you don’t mind mixing a few metal figures in with your plastics.
True about the Airfix German Mountain Troops. Not enough fighting poses. I ended up taking some license with this and added the DAK guys cast in grey when CTS did them. Also added the copy MB DAK Germans in grey that were not in short pants.
The Soviet WWII mountain (not Alpine) troops are not really different enough to warrant a separate set. They seemed to be in a mix of their specialized winter gear with some Cossack stuff added and a lot of standard issue equipment. Not wanting to have to have 50 units for every type of specialty, I’ll settle for Reds in Winter gear, even though the telogreika was not the general issue item for them in most cases.
I have the WSS veteran’s book (in German) ”Wenn Alle Bruder Schweigen” (when All Brother Fall Silent). It’s loaded with great stories and fantastic pictures from every unit in the WSS. I still want to see this helmet with Odalrune in use.
Erwin – Can’t reply directly to your message. The option is not there. I guess I did not have Nardi Italians. It was much like the Cane guys. 6 poses in WWI Aplini uniform and rather big. I was told they were rare and they were cast in a dark grey. In face of this info, I don’t know who made them, then. Sounds like the Nardi figures would be a real find if you could get them in the right number and right proportions. Part of my problem is getting the right guys, with the right weapons, for example the correct LMG per squad and SMG for NCOs, then mortars and HMGs.
Just looked up Nardi. yuck, keep ’em. In the same vein as the Atlantic cartoonish sculpting.
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Check you mail ,i send you pictures of all from my phone few ago…but Not NARDI are not your scale at all x you ,yet check photos and their tanks from mine as well CANE Bersaglieri ,not in your scale either but smaller than NARDI .
The alpini CANE are very easy to find but yes in rare poses and real WW1 not pocket shirt uniforms,i carry and sold then here not long ago,plenty ;sold out now .
I understand your way splitting the sets by unitis ,but because your are god cutting-sorry converting i bet you may be able playing around w many .
One set very hard to get the COMA infantry milano WW2 marines ,not the be confused with sailors.were made x WW2 and well in scale x u and very nice action poses.
Problem were done very limited production as they change over to the post WW2 sets they did and more common,still useful x WW2.
Saw the pics. I did not have these. I don’t like them enough to want to get them, though. Just bad poses and sculpting in my opinion. COMA! that’s the other guys I had! I remember laughing at the name. I’m now about 80% sure the mystery Alpini I had were Coma.
I have seriously thought about making WWII Alpinisti by taking the DGN guys and messing with the foot wear and adding the Dulcop hats and adding feathers to the M-33 steel helmet. It’s less work that most would think and FAR LESS than what Peter Evans just did with those Romans! I’ve always stopped short of doing it because of their relatively limited scope of use.
I have converted recast Airfix Alpine Troops into Western miners to help populate my Playmobil and Marx Gunsmoke Western mines display. The tandem figures with the rope are rescuing a wounded Conte figure from a caved in pile of rocks. Main change was to put Western heads on the troopers.
Also used Atlantic miners in the mines display. Though bigger than Marx, etc.. they blend in OK as long as the size police don’t inspect my cabinets.
Wow. That is a heck of use adaptation x western using WW 2 figures and converting them..
I really liked the two men connected by a rope on one base, so I had to find a use for it. For my purposes, they fit in fine as miners regardless of technicalities in uniform, etc.. One of the Playmobil mines has a cave-in feature with a pile of loose rocks, so they are reaching into the cavern to rescue the wounded figure who fell in. Converted recast Marx Arctic explorers with miner heads are supporting the rescue with a variety of ropes and pick axes, etc.. Newer Replicant guy with torch is lighting the way. If I really like a figure, I’ll find a way to convert it into a Western figure of some sort. Like I said, as long as the playset police don’t inspect, they work good enough for my imagination. I even have some Barzso pirates working the mines.
Heck why not I have converted Marines , Japanese and Russians into Alamo guys. It just requires more cutting and shaving.
Interesting this seller have a set of ACW and many are Japanese converted to be ACW soldiers,You can see officer advancing crawling ,machine gunner crew ,wounded and one with branches .The paint does a lot of course .The fact that hat was not well detailed in Japanese made it easy too.I like how far imagination goes with toy soldiers.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Atlantic-1-32-Lotto-conversioni-Nordisti-e-Sudisti-Guerra-di-Secessione/142488121820?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649
As I’ve said before – I never could grow fond of Atlantic for various reasons; I did like their Ancient Egypt and Greek/Trojan lines, though (the Romans failed the test for me – I have a barely opened box of their Roman Infantry I couldn’t use, even if I did some trimming – though I DO intend to use the catapult one day). I wish I still had the Greeks and Egyptians I gave to my kids years back. They didn’t take care of them and their mom (my first wife) tossed them. Can’t blame her but if I’d known…
I do wish someone would do for them what others are doing for Marx and pantagraphing (I hope I spelled that right – I’m always confused by it) some old figures and reproducing them; I’m sure there’s a market somewhere if there’s a market for the reproduced Marx guys.
Wayne ,by reading your comments i think you are referring to HO sets.
If so they are very common around and cheap too in all ancient sets minus the large coliseum,ships and troy horses playset box .Nexus reissued are around too .
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I don’t know what the prospects are for pantographing old Atlantic sets, and I guess all we can do is mourn for all the molds lost or blown up in Iraq – but Nexus or whoever owns them now could reissue the figures from the molds that did not disappear. Back around the turn of the century I bought boxes of the 1/72 Greek and Egyptian armies and would buy more. Some western and other sets were also reissued. I don’t remember any 1/32 sets from that period and don’t know if any of those molds survived.
Yeah, Nexus and Waterloo 1815 were both re-issuing Atlantic 1/72 sets at that time. They did Greeks and Egyptians and several Western sets and a couple of the 20th Century Revolution sets. Outlaws and Sheriffs were not among the western sets, unfortunately. Russians and Germans were the only WW2 sets recast.
No recast 1/32 sets were available. From what I heard all the 1/32 molds went to Iraq and many of the 1/72 molds as well.
The Nexus recasts are still pretty common and cheap to buy.
At least some Chinese manufacturer could spring for a few 1/32 Atlantic sets on eBay and use them as the basis for their next series of pirated clones. The Airfix cowboys and indians and British paratroopers and Matchbox Afrika Korps clones are getting very tiresome at the dollar stores.
Mark T .the Supreme Egyptians are Atlantic poses body parts swapped poses .take a look and will notice. They just swap body torso from one pose to another.The faces and heads are identical in most.
The DGN WW2 Russians are a mix of Italeri and Atlantic .
poses .Several atlantic sets were cloned in HK and sold in 80s in euorope most.Most were cowboys and few WW sets.
Nexus only bough and kept 25 sets from HH line ,rest was lost in iraq as mention in italian books and by italian Atlantic former employees.Even name of ship and memorandum invoice from Italy post indicate in one book with data date of departure and all.The person who bough it was an iraq business man ,if was for tax evasion purpose ,business or scrap else we don’t know but according to books data the price for all molds was extremely under price at time on purchase sale indicted registered.
Several main italian collector had even travel abroad to investigate and not way ,after two wars all information was complete loss .The ship that carry it was damage in war and scrapped destroyed years after but cargo apparently was already unloaded in not destination port ,from there all sources are gone and a mistery.That is all they had found years ago from what i had red in blogs and from main Atlantic fans .
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I’ll have to root around for the Nexus recasts of the 1/72 Greek and Egyptian army sets. They are gone from most of the stores I patronize and I’m not much for Ebay. I suppose one problem with them is that they are too “toy-like” and lack the historical accuracy of the currently available sets from Hat, Caesar, etc. The Greeks were matched up with the Atlantic Trojans and don’t look like any Greek army that was ever fielded, whatever the period. That will put off the wargamers who are the main market for this stuff now. What they do look like are characters from those delightfully cheesy Italian “peplum” Hercules and Son of Hercules movies from the late 50s and early 60s. I loved those as a kid, and so have a soft spot for the Atlantic Greeks.
Daniel, try Sprue Brothers: http://store.spruebrothers.com/category_s/2383.htm
I think they might not have the Greek and Egyptian infantries, but they still have the cavalries as well as several western sets.
Kent has some 1/72 Atlantic stuff:
http://www.angelfire.com/biz/toysoldierhq/Nexus.html
Also from Kent:
http://www.angelfire.com/biz/toysoldierhq/AtlanticHO.html
also, ATS
https://ats-toy-soldiers.myshopify.com/collections/atlantic-vintage-toy-soldier-sets-in-1-72-scale
I had attached a post I made no long ago in other blog as way share some though only and accuracy in old brands and makers but most pointing out the Atlantic Egyptian sets in 1.30 scale as that is more approx their scale .
It is not intended direct respond x here please.
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With all respect please!!And not meaning any discord…
If agree and acknowledge ATLANTIC are toys ,then what is the point of much pointing out the historical not accuracy of figures ?
But The figures indeed represent what could be a mix of several Egypt era .So what!?Is that too much ask to give so much for to children back in time.!?
Not .I bet children back then learn with that better than with many other figures from other brands and film or Hollywood representing so wrong the clothing and eras.
By sample CHERILEA Egyptians are complete off historical too. Cherilea Soviet WW2 Russian are horrible in czarist odd type Cossack guard with post WW2 weapons ,same in many others.
Charben had mistakes too ,Timpo solid as well with the generic wood toy type weapons given to all ,that no one could see what they were .
But more specific brands such AIRFIX-Models 1.32 series even did some wrong depiction like the German WW2 pose with so rare never recognized “made up” Light sub machine gun,the prone ammo carrier with what appear an M36 Bulgarian-Spaniard helmet ,The AK pose with what appear using an odd MP41 ,never issued to the AK as designed in 1943 and distributed in small quantities by 1944 only.
The US paratroopers prone with (“sten gun”)!? and other with an odd German mix automatic weapon.?..
Matchbox again did wrong with the MP38/40 short barrel depiction and even Britain could not get close with it either in the infantry set but only in the AK. So even those “self call historical series” miniatures made big mistakes too as well.
Almark sold boxes with regular German infantry as WWSS and to be paint too when the WWSS uniform is complete different of those depicted in figures and box.
Britain did wrong the MP40 in German infantry and right in AK.
Marx did wrong depiction of weapon all over in the WW2 sets and others bad detailed or under scale .
So if we are going after what were more dedicated to toys to punish then x mistake ,first we should criticize those that call then self historical series or replicas and had done it too in the hobby new resent production.
About chariots ,Egyptian CHARIOTS and history cover a large period of over 10 centuries from 3200 BC to 300 BC least in which a fraction of actual weapons and tool/equipment had been ever discovered or excavated.
So there is not way to complete say ,it is not type chariot or wrong done weapons clothing else with certain .
But the ATLANTIC chariot is actually base in two archaeology findings. At Abu Simbel and others.
The Egyptian chariots were made of single and double personal size basket. Two main style,as far had been fact base in few archaeological proof only.
Atlantic 1:30 scale may be a bit off ,still that is because figures have the round base too,once you cut off it,both figures fit well in it. I did it myself.
The war chariot were intact small and plenty depiction show how more half body show above top frame too.
Yet in both Atlantic catalog and box it show the chariot with one figure mounted of course because the base ,again and intentional made to carry one figure,not two.
Single pose rider warrior chariots are depicted in historical excavation.
So I do not see much wrong.
Regarding straight swords again .
How many other nation swords and weapons Egyptians used during centuries!?
The amount of external influence in Egypt warfare arsenal is immense ,by same sample of the Chariot above mentioned that was introduced from other people using it before.
Is too hard to determinate as few finding in the war field as specific;most finding about Egypt are treasures or religious with few battle engraves in wall,stones else. Weapons unless very unique preserved in tombs are complete gone because of time .
But…
Straight sword WAS part of Egyptian war arsenal,not only one but several types and variations,also short and long straight daggers,there plenty depiction of it in historical excavation.
I will post some links here as references.
Chariots-Egypts
http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/chariots.htm
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/ancient/pharaoh-chariot.html
https://books.google.com/books?id=TcoUAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA98#v=onepage&q&f=false
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kadesh
Weapons-Straight swords in Egypt arsenal
http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/weapons/edged_weapons.htm
http://www.weapons-universe.com/Swords/Ancient_Egyptian_Weapons.shtml
Hope this clarify some doubs.
My thoughts.
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Thanks for all the leads – I appreciate it! I was just over at Plastic Soldier Review and admiring the amazing sets available for the ancient world from companies like Caesar. I’m strongly tempted to jump into the Biblical world in 1/72. But I still like the Atlantic/Nexus figures, and will try and add more to my collection.
Daniel, without a doubt, Caesar makes some beautiful Ancients. About ten years ago there was a rumor (I should have learned by then) that they were discontinuing production of their Ancients line and jumped in and bought about every set I could find. I have literally dozens of boxes in a closet waiting for my brush. Maybe one day I’ll wade through the projects that get in the way and get around to them. The thing is right after that I made the decision to limit my collecting of 1/72 to 18th through 19th Century. There was just TOO much stuff coming out to keep up with it.
Erwin, I was talking about their larger scale – whatever it was. While it’s true I bought my kid brothers HO and 1/72 scale Atlantic figures back in the day I wasn’t really interested at the time for the reasons stated above – though, as I said, I liked the Greeks and Egyptians. I did buy some of the Waterloo re-issues of their Greeks about the time I bought those Caesar figures and I wouldn’t mind having some 1/72 scale Trojans, but as someone has said with all the great new figures from the era now available I would like to at least have their Trojans (my personal favorite) to go against the new stuff (again – larger scale).
Wayne.
Yes I agree the Trojans are one of the best ,Atlantic ancient figures plastic is easy to bend with hot/cold water and stay in any pose you want .I have over 50 of them most converted in more action poses and 100 greeks as well.
Romans are my less favorite but cavalry are nice and gladiators are great too
Al;l chariots are nice ,but romans front often split/crack
The new NO NAME russian figures and LOD match then perfect in scale as well the Supreme or ASH brand chinese made Greeks .So there is plenty to blend with them now .Conte Spartans also blend easy with them approx .
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